Vietnam’s Expansion & Colonial Diaspora (1471-1859)
Vietnam’s External Expansion and Colonial Diasporas (1471 -1859)
In Vietnamese history, a theme that transcends across time and space is the advance or the march to the south (“nam tien”). The southern advancement, as noted by Michael Cotter, is unique in that “it transcends the different periods of Vietnamese history – pre-Chinese, Chinese, independent, colonial, and contemporary” in which each has “its own theme.” [1]
As discussed in earlier blogs, Chinese colonial diasporas had both indirect and direct effects on the southern advancement.
For Vietnamese, they have been “victims” of Chinese colonial diasporas — being physically, psychologically, culturally, and intellectually displaced. However, as noted by other scholars, the “Vietnamese will to dependence was too strong,” there must have been “a special Vietnamese collective identity of some sort,” [2] and the “harmony between the Vietnamese . . . and their environmental conditions has proved to be so deep that no race has been able to resist their advance.” [3]
Simply, Vietnamese have always maintained their relationships with the collective memory and myth about their birth place and never more passionately than when displacement and disunity was imposed by foreign rule.
However, Vietnamese collective will to resist had to be modified because of Chinese military power in which resistance had to include strategic form of borrowing and localizing ideas of foreign powers in order to make and strengthen local cultural statements about its “Vietnamese cultural core.”
Cultural borrowing came from both north and south. And until late in the 14th century, Buddhism had acted as a common ground between Vietnam and southern states of the Cham and Khmer, during times of both peace and war; for instance, Vietnamese prince who married Cham princess and the Vietnamese Buddhist monk who practiced Indian asceticism. [4]
Vietnamese, on the one hand, were successful in localizing external influences in which what were borrowed were considered essential and integral to the culture at that particular time. But such situation sometimes was inevitably imperfect and had led to tension and stress within the society on the other. [5]
This was the case, when after repelling the Ming invasion (1407-1427), the Le emperors began to adapt the Ming Chinese model and began to transform ideologically, bureaucratically, and militarily.
This transformation enabled the Vietnamese state (Dai Viet) under the Le dynasty (1428-1524) to stabilize its southern and western frontiers. But in doing so, the conviction in the essential unity of their territory and people and cultural relativity began to take dual form or multiple forms (or even change character).
The External Expansion of Dai Viet
The transformation of Dai Viet was, in part, the result of its population becoming a specialist in wet-rice cultivation, which fostered “the trade, population growth, and resource concentration that promote state power and societal expansion.” [6]
Importantly, the state began to adapt the Ming Chinese model.
For example, it took on the Chinese ideals of bringing ‘civilization’ to the ‘uncivilized,’ which were applied to its relations with Champa and the Khmers. It also adapted Chinese meritocratic civil service examinations as the method of recruiting educated talent to service the government. [7] Moreover, Dai Viet had acquired gunpowder technology from China, although Vietnamese also had contributed to Chinese gunpowder technology by locally producing better techniques such as the wooden wad and possibly a new ignition, which was then exported to China. [8] Arming itself with new gunpowder technology, Dai Viet’s large and well-organized military force was able to achieve its military ends more easily than before. [9]
Indeed, under the Le dynasty, the Vietnamese state began to transcend its displacement and, according to one opinion, gradually developed into “a bigger hegemonist,” conceiving themselves as superior to all other peoples in Southeast Asia. [10]
But probably more accurate is that the transformation of Dai Viet changed the balance of power in mainland Southeast Asia. Yet, that balance was tenuous and was hampered by the eventual rise of two separate entities with two different representations of “what was a good Vietnamese.”
Notwithstanding, as a result of the above transformation, Dai Viet, on the one hand, were able for the first time, since independence, to stabilize its southern and western frontiers. But Dai Viet also took advantage of its new capabilities to end its conflicts with Champa over areas (that of Quang Binh, Quang Tri, and Thua Thien) where the two mingled since the fifth century.
Between 1361 and 1390, Champa, under Che Bong Nga’s rule, conducted an interrupted series of victories against Vietnam, including the sacking of Vietnam’s capital of Thang Long several times and were able to retrieve Champa’s old northern provinces that it lost earlier in 1301 through a marriage alliance that did not endure. But after Che Bong Nga’s assassination in 1390, Champa had to hand back the provinces to Vietnam, yet these areas were still contested until the fifteenth century. However, in 1471, the Dai Viet’s military force appeared to have overwhelmed the Chams. One thousand Dai Viet warships and 70,000 troops captured Champa’s capital of Vijaya. According to Vietnamese source, more than 30,000 Chams were captured and over 40,000 were killed. In part, the fall of Champa in 1471 was due to the fact that it did not have access to firearms. [11] Thus, the year 1471 marked the rise of Dai Viet.
Vietnamese had by then conquered the northern part of Cham country, as far as the southern border of today’s Binh Dinh province. However, Cham kings continued to rule from this region, although less autonomous then earlier Cham kings. In addition, however, there were southern Champ polities, including a fourth Cham region (Kauthara) located near present day Nha Trang, which had been a part of Cham country since the beginning of Cham history.
On Vietnam’s western borders, Tai peoples were actively crossing Vietnam’s western borders, causing a series of conflicts between the two. But by the late 1470s, Dai Viet was able to claim Tai hill territories, bringing the Tai ethnic groups in modern Vietnam. [12] Taking advantage of its military technology, Dai Viet also pursued aggressive actions against Thai and Laos principalities. Its armies marched as far as the Irawaddy River in modern Burma. [13] As a result, by the early 1480s, kingdoms of northwestern mainland Southeast Asia, such as the Laotian kingdom of Lan Ch’ang and Thai principality of Ai Lao sent tributes to the Vietnamese capital.
In sum, the purpose and scope of Dai Viet’s external expansion was initially to stabilize its southern and western frontiers, of which had been militarily contested throughout the centuries without a clear winner, at least until 1471. Its external expansion was dynastic in nature, which was clearly reflected by the reign of Le Thang Tong (1460-1497) who sought to stabilize his state by securing its borders to prevent any repeat of foreign invasions, such as the Ming invasion of 1407-1427. The degree of success in stabilizing its borders, as well as going beyond its borders, was, in large part, due to the unilateral-monopolistic timing, as put forward by Frank Darling. [14] That is, Dai Viet’s external expansion occurred because of a “power vacuum” in which Dai Viet with the new gunpowder technology and under a more bureaucratic state were able to exert power in the region, limited by the available resources and the stability of the Le court.
Vietnam, however, did not develop a permanent colonial phase or colonial diaspora until the beginning of the sixteenth century. Even though Vietnam was active in acquisitioning Cham lands, it occurred at long intervals. In occupying Cham lands, the Le emperors would appoint frontier military governors with the rank of viceroy (kinh-luoc), but would also retained Cham officials in the administration in some regions. The purpose and scope of Vietnamese military and penal colonies were to consolidate their gains, to provide support for expeditions, and to relieve population pressures. [15]
During this period, Vietnamese rulers did not pay much attention to the specific matter of expansion into Champa, until the arrival of the Nguyen lords who eventually sought a southern autonomous state, separate from the northern state under the Trinh lords.
The Nguyen’s Colonial Diaspora
Vietnamese southern expansion or colonial diaspora under the Nguyen family can be described as a frontier movement, originating because of political and military unrest and conflicts at home; and expanding through military conquests, treaties, and “most difficult to document, colonization by transfrontiersmen.” [16]
In 1524, when the Le emperors were usurped by the Mac family, the Trinh family and Nguyen family both professed their loyalty to and attempted to restore the Le emperors. However, after the restoration of Le in 1592, the Trinh family gradually acquired all the important posts at the Le court so that the Le emperors were reduced to being “nominal” rulers. [17] Meanwhile, the Nguyen family saw the Trinh as usurpers and decided to officially break with the Trinh in 1600 and return to Thuan Hoa (modern Hue), where years earlier they were emplaced by the Trinh to establish control over the southernmost frontiers. Between 1627 and 1672, the Nguyen lords were able to defend Trinh’s expeditions, as well as defending Cham’s reacquisition of its former territories. By 1672, Trinh lords, whose militarily failures to defeat the Nguyen left them weakened, agreed to a division of the two states at the boundary of the Linh River. This resulted in a relatively stable coexistence of “two Dai Viets” for a little more than one hundred years.

The Nguyen, despite having a smaller population with a smaller number of trained officials, accordingly adjusted their organizational structure and localized themselves to their new geographical terrains and frontier influences, including redeveloping trading centers, absorbing local populations, and interacting with foreign merchants.
For example, in the former Cham territories, one of the key characteristics of the Nguyen administration was the use of Chams and of lower-class Vietnamese. It also redeveloped the commercially oriented society center in Hoi An, which had been pioneered by the local Cham population who still constituted a key component in the labor and basic patterns of the region’s trading center after the Vietnamese takeover. [18] Unlike the traditional northern economy, the Nguyen’s economy had a “fundamental basis in foreign trade.” [19] This attracted Vietnamese immigrants, as well as Chinese refugees who fled from the Manchu dynasty, arriving at various times in present day areas of Hue after 1636, further transforming the Hoi An region “into its now recognizably Vietnamese form.” [20] Moreover, from its contacts with foreign merchants, the Nguyen state was able to arm itself with modern weapons provided by Portuguese merchants, which assisted them to defend the Trinh expeditions as well as to continue the expansion of its control farther south.
As noted by recent works in Vietnamese historiography, in the Nguyen, we see a new version of being Vietnamese. Although these works tend to describe the Nguyen as breaking or escaping from the past and from the ancestors in order to create ways of being Vietnamese, [21] it is probably more accurate to say that the Nguyen was not rigid in conforming with the traditional culture in the north, which led to a more open, multiethnic society with emphasis on foreign trade.
This was true for both the central areas and the Mekong Delta areas. In the latter, Vietnamese had moved into southern plains by the early 1620s, due the political and military vacuum left by the declining Khmer kings. By this time, the Khmer court based in Phnom Penh was faction ridden and was subservient to Siamese (Tai) influence. This allowed the Nguyen to exert its influence in the Khmer court, including the marriage of a Vietnamese princess to a Khmer king in 1620. Three years later, the Khmer king granted permission for Vietnamese immigrants and traders to move into the areas, culminating in 1689 the establishment of a viceroyalty over the provinces around Saigon (Cotter254). [22]
Compared to the central areas, the Nguyen saw the Mekong Delta as more extensive and fertile for growing rice. It also used this area to utilize captured Trinh soldiers and lower class immigrants from the north to settle and develop this area. Chinese immigrants also had important role in redeveloping this region’s trading center. As a result, this region was ethnically pluralistic. From one perspective, these individuals and groups found southern Vietnam as a land of promise, where they could make a fresh start. [23] For instance, captured soldiers were expected to clear the land in which they were given farm implements and food to eat. So in several years “they could produce enough for their own needs,” and after twenty years after “their children can be soldiers of the country.” [24]
To be sure, however, the Nguyen’s colonial did displace the local populations of the Chams and the Khmers, whose “displacement but not replacement” is still today not assured.
A common perception is that the institutional weakness of Cham society, “a weakly institutionalized state system that depended upon personal alliance networks to integrate a fragmented population,” had sealed its fate. [25] Yet, the Chams were never easily conquered. In fact, it may be the same decentralized system that allowed the Chams for centuries to contest and stir rebellion against the Vietnamese. Despite the Nguyen’s presence in the Cham territories since the 1550s, it was until 1611 that Cham territory of Kauthara (modern Nha Trang) disintegrated and not until 1771 that Panduranga-Champa (modern Phan Rang) fell. However, over the centuries Cham society could not withstand the Vietnamese advancement, sometimes in “massive convulsions or in fits and starts.” [26]
It is thought that the majority of Chams were killed, driven off, or assimilated by the Vietnamese. [27] Chams still exist today as an ethnic minority in Vietnam — though its number is relatively small (about 40,000) in comparison to the 30,000 Cham families in the eleventh century. To some degree, because the Nguyen’s purpose and scope of its colonial diaspora were of political and economic domination “with less concern about Cham social and religious life,” Chams were able to retain some of their culture, including their language, religious beliefs, matrilineal kinship patterns, and the practice of non-intensive rice growing. [28] And often overlooked or discredited is the contribution of Chams in the Hoi An region as international trade center. It is very likely that “Vietnamese immigrants encountered the well-established patterns of behavior of the peoples who preceded them and very likely continued to live alongside them.” [29] For instance, Vietnamese had been shaped by the Cham maritime logic in rebuilding Hoi An, learned to grow rice in terraced land, adopted local Cham deities such as Po Nagar, took up a form of Siva worship, lived in Malayic-style stilt houses, traveled in Cham-style boats, tilled with Cham plows, buried their dead in Cham-style graves, and practiced piracy and barter in slaves. [30]
Similarly, since the early 1620s Khmers were gradually displaced and were pushed out of their villages into Cambodia or into marginal lands near the sea; [31] and by 1780, the Vietnamese controlled most of the southern territories that comprise present Vietnam. During the 18th century, military colonies were used to expand in this region, which settled disputes between Khmers and encroaching Vietnamese, although in the favor of Vietnamese settlers. [32] In the 1978 border war with Cambodia, the new socialist government of Vietnam used the Khmers as an advance column in their invasion into Cambodia. Like the Chams, the Khmers were also “discredited” of their role in developing the commercial areas near Saigon. Their contribution to the Vietnamese vocabulary and phrases is often overlooked. This is also true regarding their religious practices, which the Vietnamese have adopted, including elements of Theravada Buddhism. Other cultural borrowing from the Khmers includes agricultural implements and foods, medicines, and different areas of arts. [33]
Also to be sure, there were a number of schisms that developed over the course of the Nguyen’s colonial diaspora — those between the various socioeconomic groups and the separate geopolitical entities. This culminated in the Tay Son rebellion (1772-1801), uprising against both the Trinh and Nguyen forces and unifying the country for the first time in 1788. Although the events of the Tay Son defy easy classification, peasant grievances were central and, yet, the “momentum that had carried the [Tay Son] brothers to a series of military triumphs disappeared as their respective regimes could not resolve the troubles facing them.” [34]
The equally multiethnic alliance that Nguyen Anh created in the Mekong Delta, who also got support from French mercenaries, defeated the Tay Son brothers and reunified the country in 1802. According to George Dutton, the Nguyen dynasty (1802-1945) did little to resolve the conflicts that had been stirred up by the Tay Son wars. These conflicts “even accelerated” under the new regime that was able to tax more effectively than their predecessors, which peasants complained loudly about these further exactions and hundreds of peasant and other uprisings challenged the new emperor in the early decades of his reign. [35]
Perhaps, because of the fact that the reunified Vietnam was sill a highly divided territory, emperor Gia Long (formerly Nguyen Anh) sought to address this situation through “expedient of effectively ruling the country as three different regions” in which his dynasty controlled more directly at the center and his governor generals governed the northern and southern parts of Vietnam. [36] But by the reign of Ming Mang (1820-1840), the governor general and his associates (including Christians, Chinese settlers, and ex-convicts) in the south were seen “as a force that threatened to undermine the unity of Vietnam.” [37] He, thus, initiated a program to “cultivate” and “assimilate” southerners, particularly the latter disregard of the central government and royal authority (Choi, 194); but Ming Mang respected private land ownership and offered incentives for southern landlords to become part of the government hierarchy. [38] [39]
Such process, on the one hand, sparked widespread insurrections by ethnic groups, but in the longer run led “southerners to stand with the Hue’s authority.” [40] For example, in 1833 a revolt of southerners, popularly called the Le Van Khoi revolt, broke out, declaring independent rule for southern Vietnam and lasting for two years before being crushed. But later in 1859, when the French landed in this region, the strong loyalist sentiments toward the Hue court fueled the southerner’s anti-French movement.
Importantly, the above ruptures which, nonetheless, coincided with unification/reunification shaped the political and social contours of a Vietnam that ultimately and unavoidably confronted the French colonial power in the mid-19th century. This confrontation again ruptured but also reunified Vietnam. But again a reunified Vietnam also sparked another wave of the country’s historical roots in refugee-exile circumstances beginning with:
- the Nguyen family under Nguyen Kim fled to Laos after the Mac’s usurpation of the Le dynasty in 1524;
- the Mac family fled to northern China when the Le dynasty was restored in 1592;
- the Nguyen family under Nguyen Hoang left northern Vietnam to the Cham territories after breaking official ties with the Trinh in 1600;
- the Nguyen family under Nguyen Anh fled to Siam (Thailand) in 1775 after its capital fell to the Tay Son brothers;
- the Vietnam Nationalist Party (or the Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang) fled to China when the Viet Minh in 1946 began to purge non-communist groups in order to create a communist Democratic Republic of Vietnam.
- and the leaders and members of the former Republic of South Vietnam evacuated and escaped to western countries after the fall of Saigon to communist rule in 1975.
Different Versions of Being Vietnamese: A Southern, Nationalist/Anti-Communist Perspective
As noted by Keith Taylor, there are different alternatives in reading the Nguyen’s southward expansion.
That is, for the non-experts, it is unclear whether the division between the Trinh lords and Nguyen lords was either the result of hatred and envy of Trinh towards the Nguyen’s military merit, or that, because the Trinh was appointed by the Le court to preside over a regency in the north, the Nguyen decided to return south and created its own autonomy. [41]
Utilizing two Vietnamese dynastic annals, one from the perspective of the Le court written in the second half of the 17th century and the other from the perspective of the Nguyen court written in the early 19th century, Keith Taylor provides a binary reading of Vietnam’s southward expansion: that of the northern and southern points of view.
Wherein the regional differences center on Nguyen Hoang, who was the second son of Nguyen Kim, the leader of a movement to restore the Le emperors in the 1520s. When Nguyen Kim was poisoned in 1545 by the Mac associates, the movement was then led by Nguyen Hoang’s brother-in-law, Trinh Kiem. Eventually, there was a split between Nguyen Hoang and Trinh Kiem.
From the northern perspective, Nguyen Hoang was more “clever than loyal, a capable man who can no longer be governed by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and the power it confers.” [42]From the southern perspective, Nguyen Hoang was “a hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his people into a land of peace and plenty, a man who understands foreign merchants.” [43]
Keith Taylor’s regional binary, however, is a deliberate choice, imaginatively employed so that in Nguyen Hoang “we see the beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese, and because Vietnamese today are no longer able to ignore the differences between north and south.” [44]
A possible reading of Nguyen Hoang’s going south is that it is a metaphor for all the decisions that going south would make possible. According to Keith Taylor:
[S]imply, because, in rejecting the traditional definition of a ‘good Vietnamese,’ options for being another kind of ‘good Vietnamese’ could be explored…[in which]…Talent and ability began to count more than birth and position. This was, in effect, an escape from ancestors, an escape from the past. For Nguyen Hoang, the result was a greater alliance on his own abilities, a shifting of the burden of moral choice from the past to the present. [45]
Essentially, the fact that the Nguyen Hoang “opted to turn his back on the world in which he was raised” and ‘risked’ being pronounced a rebel meant that he was not restricted by the northern ways (Taylor, 42, 64). [46] This allows him to freely explore options “without a coercive model of how things out to be.” [47]
Interestingly, behind Keith Taylor’s Nguyen Hoang has been his effort, along with his former students, to demarcate what is imagined as local or regional is “political neutral since it has both potential for both oppression and resistance” (Taylor). [48] This revisionist agenda avoids “the authority of what is thought to have happened in the past” by a master, national, or regional narrative that justifies the violence of dominance and resistance. Thus, it attempts to deconstruct Vietnamese history, so as to feature histories that go beyond nation and region. Moreover, this revision offers an alternative of representing (and strongly rejecting?) the Vietnamese history and culture as continuity and change, since the latter tends to constrain “independent histories.” Instead, revisionists, like Keith Taylor and his former students, argue for an interpretive framework that leaves “more open ends, widows, and adjoining corridors than previous works.” [49]
But the above may assume prematurely that a national or regional narrative necessarily needs to be rescued by academics who believe that their imaginative or revisionist schema is politically more responsible and one without (or has acknowledged) any shortcomings or contradictions.
In fact, while national or regional narrative is necessarily political, it is not necessarily coercive or intolerant.
This is may be the case of the Vietnamese southern, anti-communist historiography. Unlike the Vietnamese Marxist-nationalist historians, the Vietnamese nationalist/anti-anticommunist historians writting during the Vietnam War had a lot to say about Nguyen Hoang; the former, in general, has ignored Nguyen Hoang because he did not confirm or exemplify the theme of national unity or social cohesion necessary for a building a modern socialist state.
For the Vietnamese nationalist/anti-communist historians, Nguyen Hoang was loyal and who left his post in the southern frontiers to aid the Trinh against the Mac, despite his mistrust of the Trinh. From this perspective, the origin of the Nguyen state was due to the:
[W]ars and intrigues under the tyrannical rule of the Trinh; an abortive plot by the Le King and one of the Trinh Tung’s sons against the Trinh ended in Trinh Tung’s killing his disloyal son as well as the Le king. Power than passed to Trinh Tung’s eldest son, who ruled on behalf of the figurehead Le King who was subsequently installed. [50]
This perspective further views that the military conflicts between the Trinh and Nguyen to have weakened the former.
During this time, the Trinh reorganized their administration to promote honesty and efficiency, requiring all officials to take periodic examinations and weeding out incompetents. Unhappily, this well-intentioned program ended when money was needed to quell revolts, and the practice of selling administrative posts was instituted…The cruel reign of Trinh Giang (1729-1740)…resulted in the outbreak of more riots and revolts, thus preventing the continuation of earlier progressive policies. [51]
By contrast, the nationalist/anti-communist perspective saw the Nguyen state as more capable in terms of administration and economics, due to its foreign trade, agricultural colonies, and the settlement’s vast rich lands, which provided a solution to the Nguyen’s problems of population pressure. In addition, the Nguyen did not accommodate itself to the rigidity of the past. The Nguyen “readily absorbed, too, the influx of refugees who left the insecurity and tyranny of the Trinh…as well Chinese immigrants” who contributed to the well-established commercial trading centers. [52]
However, the Vietnamese nationalist/anti-communist historians did not hesitate to critique the fact that the enormous expansion of territory by the Nguyen was not matched by the economy, which remained static and village oriented. As a result, the lot of the peasant grew increasingly worse in which rebellions from the peasants erupted with increasing frequency.
These historians also appeared to be neutral in terms of mass politics, describing the Tay Son brothers as those:
[Who] came up from the masses, and profited by the occasion of internal disorders to raise the colors of liberation. They routed both the lords of the Nguyen and Trinh by 1777…One of the brothers, Nguyen Hue, became the Emperor under the title of Quang Trung, and thanks to him, the national unity as finally restored for a brief time. Unfortunately, he died in 1972 without being able to assure the continuation of his dynasty. [53]
But in regard to French colonial rule, nationalist/anti-communist historians argued that the Minh Mang was hostile to Western influence because “it had undermined the traditional Confucian order,” but that Minh Mang was no fanatic. [54]
Nguyen emperors issued stronger and stronger edicts against the incursion of foreigners, and especially against Christian missionaries; but all of these injunctions went unheeded. Any actions taken to enforce the edicts served only to incite the West. [55]
Yet, the nationalist/anti-communist view also claims a Vietnamese identity that is open to the influences of the West.
The Vietnamese mind is not disposed to accommodate itself to the rigidity of a monolithic dogma. The subtlety and tolerance which this people manifests at all times could only be compatible with diversity. That no one should be surprised that Confucian pragmatism, Buddhist self-denial and Christian charity liver together in harmony and recruit so many adherents. Mostly, however, the existence of this mosaic of religions is a living tribute to the tolerance and generous spirit of the Vietnamese people. [56]
In sum, the Vietnamese southern, nationalist/anti-communist historiography in many ways avoids an essentialized version of a unified Vietnam, a village Vietnam, a Confucian Vietnam, a revolutionary Viet Nam, and the idea that of Vietnam as composed of two rice baskets held together by a pole. This historiography to a considerable degree appears to allow for restoration of the voices that have been ignored or marginalized. However, at the same time, it does not deny that Vietnam is “an ancient culture with its own rivers and mountains, ways and customs” in which the internal divisions of Vietnam have been the results of politics and not because Nguyen Hoang turned his back against or rejected the place of his birth.
So the option to shape the continunity in the longer trajectory of Vietnamese history leaves “more open ends, widows, and adjoining corridors,” and one that can entail “taking responsibility for acting at the surface of our own time and place.”
- For a concise dynastic history of the Ly, Tran, Ho, and Le (as well as the Cham and early Khmer kingdoms), see Keith Taylor, “Early Kingdoms,” in Nicholas Tarling, ed., The Cambridge History of Southeast Asia (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1999).
- For a concise social history of “nam tien,” see Michael Cotter, “Towards a Social History of the Vietnamese Southward Movement,” Journal of Southeast Asian History, 9:1 (1968).
- For historical account of Champa as recorded by Chinese classical texts, see George Wade, “The Ming shi Account of Champa,” Working Paper Series (No.3), Asia Research Institute, the National University of Singapore, 2003.
- What are the key differences between the northern “annal” and the “southern annal” regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
- Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
- Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
- Why did Minh Mang change the country name from “Viet Nam” to “Dai Nam” in 1838?
- What are some of the methods used to assimilate the Khmer minority and other ethnic minority communities?
- What are the results of Minh Mang’s assimilation policy?
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[1] Michael Cotter, “Towards a Social History of the Vietnamese Southward Movement,†Journal of Southeast Asian History, 9:1 (1968), p.251.
[2] Alexander Woodside, “Vietnamese History: Confucianism, Colonialism, and Independence,†Vietnam Forum, Vol.11, 1988, p.27.
[3] John McAlister and Paul Mus, The Vietnamese and Their Revolution (New York: Harper and Row, 1970), p.47.
[4] John Whitmore, “Foreign Influences and the Vietnamese Cultural Core,†in D.R. SarDesai, Southeast Asian History: Essential Readings (Los Angeles: Westview Press, 2006), p.29.
[5] Ibid, p. 25.
[6] Richard O’Connor, “Agricultural Change and Ethnic Succession in Southeast Asian States: A Case for Regional Anthropology,†Journal of Asian Studies, 54:4, p.986
[7] John Whitmore, “Chung-hsing and Chang-t’ung in Texts of and on Sixteenth Century Viet Nam,†in Keith Taylor and John Whitmore, ed., Essays into Vietnamese Pasts (New York: Cornell University, 1995) p.135.
[8] Sun Laichen, “Chinese Gunpowder Technology and Dai Viet, ca.1390-1497,†in Nhung TuyetTran and Anthony Reid, ed., Viet Nam: Borderless Histories (Wisconsin: University of Wisconsin Press, 2006), p.109.
[9] Ibid, 110.
[10] Lucian Pye, Asian Power and Politics: The Cultural Dimensions of Authority (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1985), p.59.  Â
[11] Sun Laichen, “Chinese Gunpowder Technology, p.101.
[12] John Whitmore, “Colliding Peoples: Tai/Viet Interactions in the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries,†Association of Asian Studies, San Diego, California, 2000.
[13] Sun Laichen, “Chinese Gunpowder Technology, p.109.
[14] Frank Darling, The Westernization of Asia: A Comparative Political Analysis (Boston: G.K. Hall & Co., 1979), p.63-71.
[15] Michael Cotter, “Towards a Social History,’ p.252.
[16] Ibid, p.256.
[17] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia. Translated by H.M. Wright (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1966), p.209.
[18] Charles Wheeler, “One Region, Two Histories: Cham Precedents in the History of the Hoi An Region,†in Nhung TuyetTran and Anthony Reid, ed., Viet Nam: Borderless Histories (Wisconsin: University of Wisconsin Press, 2006), p.168-170, 173.
[19] Keith Taylor, “Nguyen Hoang and the Beginning of Vietnam’s Southward Expansion,†in Anthony Reid, ed., Trade, Power, and Belief (New York: Cornell University Press, 1993), p.49.
[20] Charles Wheeler, “One Region, Two Histories,†p.169.
[21] Keith Taylor, “Nguyen Hoang,†p.64.
[22] Michael Cotter, “Towards a Social History,†p.254.
[23] Ibid., p.254.
[24] Tana Li and Andy Reid, Southern Vietnam Under the Nguyen (Singapore: Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, 1993, p.128.
[25] Kenneth Hall, “Economic History of Early Southeast Asia,†in Nicholas Tarling, ed., Cambridge History of Southeast Asia (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1992), p.178-193.
[26] Charles Wheeler, “One Region, Two Histories,†p.185.
[27] Michael Cotter, “Towards a Social History,†p.253.
[28] Ibid., p.253-254.
[29] Charles Wheeler, “One Region, Two Histories,†p.186.
[30] Ibid., p.175, 186.
[31] Michael Cotter, “Towards a Social History,†p.254.
[32] Ibid., p.254.
[33] Ibid., p.254-256.
[34] George Dutton, The Tay Son Uprising: Society and Rebellion in Eighteenth-Century Vietnam (Honolulu: University of Hawai’i Press, 2006), p.230.
[35] Ibid., p.231.
[36] Ibid., p.233.
[37] Choi Byung Wook, Southern Vietnam under the Reign of Minh Mang (1820-1841): Central Policies and Local Response (New York: Cornell University, 2004),p.193.
[38] Ibid., p.195.
[39] Tana Li and Andy Reid, Southern Vietnam, p.4.
[40] Choi Byung Wook, Southern Vietnam, p.195.
[41] Keith Taylor, “Nguyen Hoang,†p.55-58.
[42] Ibid., p.45.
[43] Ibid., p.45
[44] Ibid., p.45.
[45] Ibid., p.64.
[46] Ibid., p.64
[47] Ibid., 42.
[48] Keith Taylor, “Surface Orientations in Vietnam: Beyond Histories of Nation and Region,†Journal of Asian Studies, 57:4, (Nov. 1998), p.976.
[49] Nhung TuyetTran and Anthony Reid, Viet Nam: Borderless Histories (Wisconsin: University of Wisconsin Press, 2006), p.17.
[50] Vietnamese Realities: The Land, the People, A Glimpse of Vietnam’s History, Written and Spoken Language, Literature, Arts. Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Republic of Vietnam, 1967, p.69-70
[51] Ibid., p.71.
[52] Ibid., p.72.
[53] Ibid., p.73.
[54] Ibid.,p.75.
[55] Ibid., p.75.
[56] Ibid., p.172.


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1* What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
Northern annal:
- consistently relating Nguyen Hoang with his past and his ancestors
-Clever man than a loyal man, a capable man who can no longer be governed by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and power.
-Identified as the second son of Nguyen Kim and a duke, sent to lead soldiers to Thuan Hoa guarding eastern pirates.
-Imperial appointment was base on the fact that he is the son of Nguyen Kim and not based on his merit and credit.
-His appointment of Quang Nam was from Trinh Kiem based on their brotherly affection, and not from the Le emperor.
- No tax collector was sent by the Le court in 1586.
-Trinh Tung gave order for Nguyen Hoang to go after the Mac forces
- Used large canon of all types to destroy the Mac forces
-Accused Nguyen Hoang had a hand in instigating the uprising of Mac loyalists in 1600
Southern annal:
-Not interested in tying Nguyen Hoang to his past.
-A hero against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his
people into a land of peace and plenty.
-A man who knows how to command the loyalty of others, who understands foreign merchants.
-He was raised and educated by his maternal uncle.
-He excelled in battled and credited with killing a Mac general, and promoted to duke position.
-His brother’s death made Nguyen Hoang the leader of his clan.
-Cunningly initiates his own appointment.
-Imperial appointment is overshadowed by the counsel of Nguyen Binh Khiem, authorized Nguyen Hoang to go south.
-Tax collector was sent by the Le court in 1586.
-Attacking the Mac forces without reference to a command from his superiors. He acted by his own volition.
-Did not mention about using any cannon to destroyed the Mac forces.
-in 1600, did not accused of Nguyen Hoang had a hand in instigating the uprising of Mac loyalists, rather he led his own forces to attack the Mac loyalists rebellion. Due to numerous of his merits, Trinh Tung was jealous and accused Ng. Hoang.
-When headed south, Ng. Hoang left his son and grandson behind as a pledge of loyalty to Trinh Tung.
Similarities in both annals:
- Nguyen Hoang did not finally renounce his ambitions in the north until 1600
2* Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
- More temples were being built in the South.
- Expanding southward, drew the Vietnamese away from the source of their own traditions and exposed them to a non-Vietnamese world with possibilities of being Vietnamese in nontraditional ways.
-freedom from the Vietnamese past and the authority justified by appeals to that past
-Talent and ability began to count for more than birth and position
3* Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
- Yes, I think there is a Western version of being Vietnamese. Westernized Vietnamese are being drifted further and further from their old traditions, which had already been drifted from the North. The culture and language will soon be forgotten or faded. Living in a multi cultural society like the U.S is the key factor leading to this Westernized. Similar to what happened to the Khmer and other minorities groups in south VN, they were too weak to opposed against the southward invasion. The Vietnamese in the U.S is still consider a minority group and is too weak to defend against the American culture.
On Keith Taylor’s “Nguyen Hoang and the Beginning of Vietnam’s Southward expansion”
Nguyen Hoang is a figure in Vietnamese history that is painted different ways by different annals. The “northern†annal of the 17th century and the “southern†annal of the 19th century have strikingly differing views on the man. One can generalize that the northern annal carry the theme of a negative, critical view of Nguyen Hoang, while the southern annal saw him in a positive light. There are several key differences in the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang. For example, when Nguyen Hoang was appointed commander of the Thuan Hoa province by the Le court at the request of Trinh Kiem, the northern annal depicted this appointment as a purely administrative act of a court that was very busy and had many top priorities, according to Taylor. Nguyen Hoang was merely a fortunate man who was given a command thanks to Trinh Kiem. The southern annal however, saw Nguyen Hoang as an capable man whose resourcefulness was the reason for his appointment to the commandership of Thuan Hoa. Also, the endorsement of the sage, Nguyen Binh Khiem , invoked more authority for his rule because of Nguyen Binh Kiem’s well renown wisdom and respectability. In the reading, Taylor points out that the north perceived Nguyen Hoang as an exotic and subservient person who is valuable due to his wealth and military genius. The southern perception on the other hand, saw him as a loyal servant to the king at great personal sacrifice as well as a person who is a recipient of royal recognition. We see a southern version of being Vietnamese beginning with Nguyen Hoang because he began the push southward, and in doing so, he was exposed to the larger world of Southeast Asia, away from the traditional Vietnamese authority and there was freedom from the traditional Vietnamese past. There was in essence a rejection of the traditional definition of “a good Vietnamese†and exploration of another definition of a “good Vietnamese.†In the south, talents and ability such as Nguyen Hoang’s great ability, counted for more than the traditional method of birth and position. There was also a relaxation in the social discipline since Nguyen Hoang was far from the Chinese border. Overall though, Nguyen Hoang found a freedom that he would not have had if he did not expand southward. Perhaps from this point do the traditional stereoptype that we have today- that nguoi nam is laid back and careless, while nguoi bac is more traditional and uptight, originated from this split in Vietnameseness. I definitely think there is a Western version of Vietnamese. Western customs, culture, and ideologies are very different from eastern ones and so Vietnamese who lives in the west adapt to this culture. Western culture is viewed as advanced and admirable, and so many Vietnamese in Vietnam are quick to embrace Western things, such as clothes, food, culture, and some values.
On The Cost of Minh Mang’s assimilation policy:
The name of the country was changed from “Vietnam†to “Dai Viet†in 1838 in order to better reflect the territories of the new expanded sovereignty. Originally, the name “Vietnam†had a meaning that only included the territory of An Nam and Viet Thuong. The Nguyen dynasty did not feel that the name “Vietnam†adequately represent the new acquired territory of Cambodia and Gia Dinh. Thus, as the country expanded southward, the original name only reflected a portion of the territories-An Nam and Viet Thuong. Minh Mang changed the name to “Dai Nam,†which means “Great South.†This title reflected the unification of the three separated regions of An Nam, Viet Thuong, and Cambodia. The assimiliation methods of Minh Mang were many and they were different for different ethnic groups. To assimilate the Khmer, the government combined adjacent Khmer and Vietnamese villages into a single administrative Vietnamese unit called a tong, headed by Vietnamese of course. Another method was attaching Vietnamese villages to a Khmer district and vice versa. The government also redrew boundaries to divide up pure Khmer districts to make it more heterogeneous ethnic-wise. The government also merged an entire Khmer district into a Vietnamese one as well as built Vietnamese villages in existing Khmer ones. These methods were aimed at forcing Khmers to change their ways and adopt Vietnamese lifestyle. The government also forced Khmers from their lands as can be seen from disappearance of Khmer temples and the appearance of Vietnamese ones in its place. The Khmer diasporas had a large negative effects on the people. In other provinces such as Bien Hoa, the usual method was to force ethnic communities into Vietnamese administrative units. In Bien Hoa, the ethnic minorities there followed a specific assimilation steps. These steps included creating a transitional unit from “thu†to “sach,†creating a Vietnamese administrative unit, or “tong,†creating Vietnamese districts that comprise of several ethnic groups, creating heterogeneous districts that have both Vietnamese and ethnic groups, encouraging villagers to become Vietnamese and adopt their customs, and finally, to raise children to be new Vietnamese. The assimilation of Chinese, who are not considered barbarians, in the country was not as direct as with the other ethnic groups. The assimilation of these Chinese settlers included abolition of thanh nhan associations, conversion of thanh nhan Chinese into minh huong Chinese, and discrimintation of the minh huong Chinese such as in state examinations.
Of course, these radical assimilation policies were not liked by the ethnic people that were being coerced, and so many insurrections took place in response to the policies. There were many in Cambodia, and they quickly spread to southern Vietnam. Thanh Nhan Chinese also participated in the insurrections by joining with the Khmers. Southerners had to be constripted into the army in order to keep check on the local population. Also, they were the first to directly experience ethnic conflicts; thus they were also the first to be victims of tension felt by the ethnic groups towards the Vietnamese. Essentially, southerners were used as tools by the central government in the assimilation of the ethnic groups. Ironically, the ethnic turmoil that ensued after the policies were implemented helped to drive Viet southerners to identify with the central government.
From the beginning of the Nguyen dynasty, name for the country was considered significant because it would express, and confirm the Vietnames elitte’s concept of its newly unified territory. Frist, they named the country with “Nam Vietâ€, a combination of An Nam and Viet Thuong. The final title was fixed by the decision of the Chinese court as “Viet Namâ€. Nguyen court apparently realized that changing it to “Viet Nam†did not alter the meaning; this title still implied that the Nguyen dynasty was based on both An Nam and Viet Thuong. After Cambodia was added to the southern part of Viet Nam, Nguyen Dynasty changed the name from Viet Nam to Dai Nam, basically had to do with territorial expansion to the South.
Education in the Vietnamese language was so complicated due to diverse ethnics; Ming Mang came up with some methods used to assimilate the Khmer minority and other ethnic minority communities
-Khmer people are a largest group.
Combining Khmer villages and Vietnamese villages to make a Vietnamese tong.
Attaching Vietnamese villages to Khmer district
Merging Khmer districts with Vietnamese districts.
Building Vietnamese villages in the middle of Khmer villages.
Vietnamization of Khmer cults.
-Ethnic Minorities Bien Hoa
Creating a transitional unit
Creating a Vietnamese unit
Creating a Vietnamese district consisting of several ethnic groups.
Creating a Vietnamese district with both Vietnamese and ethnic minorities.
Encourage villagers to become Vietnamese.
Raising children to be new Vietnamese.
-Chinese settlers
Abolition of thanh nhan associations
Conversion of thanh nhan to minh huong
Discrimination against minh huong Chinese, and the possibility of assimilation.
The court’s radical assimilation policy led to an outbreak of resistance by non Viet ethnic groups. Dissatisfaction exploded in the Cambodia region first, and then insurrections quickly spread throughout southern Vietnam. The dissatisfaction of thanh nhan Chinese during this time was also expressed in various forms. They cooperated with the Khmer minority in battles against Vietnamese. The insurrection in Lac Hoa illustrates the development of ethnic conflict, but also provides an example of a cultural confrontation between the Vietnamese and a particular ethnic group.
Keith Taylor, “Nguyen Hoang and the Beginning of Vietnam’s Southward Expansion,†in Anthony Reid, ed., Trade, Power, and Belief (New York: Cornell University Press, 1993).
The key differences between the northern and southern annal’s appraisal of Nguyen Hoang represent the regional differences of Vietnam between the North and the South. Nguyen Hoang’s return to the South in 1600 may be accountable for the northern annal’s critical perspective of Hoang. Unlike the southern annal, Hoang is described by the northern annal to be a proud “bearer of wealth, supplies, and weapons.†Thus, he is only recognized because of his wealth and military skill where he did not epitomize nationalism and independence for Vietnam. The southern annal, however, portrays Nguyen Hoang as a hero who was a respected leader that fought for the people and for Vietnam. Southern annal didn’t emphasize as much as the northern annal on Hoang’s past. Nguyen Hoang’s actions and words were very much distinguished between the northern and southern annals, including his relations with the emperor and the Mac. One of the similarities between the two annals is the acknowledgment of his accomplishment of resisting Mac intervention in the South. Both annals had also recognized the successful meeting of Nguyen Hoang to maintain a fraternal bond with the Trinh clan. Whether widely criticized or praised, Nguyen Hoang is still noted by both the northern and southern annals to create the divergence of public opinion on the separation of Vietnam.
Nguyen Hoang signifies the beginning of the southern Vietnamese because he was unconventional where he proved that ability outweighed social status. He didn’t associate himself with the ancestral traditions. By going to the South, he enabled the South to be viewed as a place of change, diversity, and freedom.
Yes, as a result of Vietnamese diaspora, there is a western version of being Vietnamese. The diasporic Vietnamese culture is blended with western characteristics which allows for a sense of displacement in both the east and west. Western Vietnamese no longer engulf themselves into the traditions of their homeland but instead, constantly try to adapt to the western hemisphere and its diversity. Inevitably, such cultural adoption will lead to the loss of origin of the Vietnamese culture.
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Choi Byung Wook, “The Costs of Minh Mang’s Assimilation Policy,†in his Southern Vietnam under the Reign of Minh Mang (1820-1841): Central Policies and Local Response (New York: Cornell University, 2004).
“Viet Nam†was a simple name that reflected the unified territory of An Nam and Viet Thuong. Yet, upon the addition of Cambodia to Viet Nam, Minh Mang decided there was a need to have a more precise name for these regions in order to clearly mark his territorial expansion and power in the South. Therefore, “Dai Nam,†which translates to “Great South,†enabled Minh Mang to declare that his dynasty owned the entire southern region east and west of the Southern Sea.
In order to assimilate the Khmer and minority groups, Minh Mang executed the assimilation policy. These ethnic groups had to learn the Vietnamese language and their own language and temples were discouraged. Khmer and others had to combine their villages with Vietnamese villages. Districts were redrawn and merged to incorporate all of the ethnic groups. Vietnamese and transitional units were also created to enforce integration and the transformation to be Vietnamese.
Minh Mang’s assimilation policy resulted in a giant clash of Asian cultures. There was definite discrimination among the diverse ethnic groups where it was evident in the increase of ethnic intermarriages that took place. The extent of Ming Mang’s radical policy led to insurrections by the non-Viet groups in southern Vietnam. Southerners were prone to ethnic conflicts as well as animosity that branched from such tension. “Buu Son Ky Huong†was a new religion that blossomed from cultural diversity where it identified itself as Vietnamese. Thus, the separation and outline of Vietnamese culture began to make it clear for the southerners of their need to find where they belonged.
Keith Taylor, “Nguyen Hoang and the Beginning of Vietnam’s Southward Expansion,†in Anthony Reid, ed., Trade, Power, and Belief (New York: Cornell University Press, 1993).
The key differences between the northern and southern annal’s appraisal of Nguyen Hoang represent the regional differences of Vietnam between the North and the South. Nguyen Hoang’s return to the South in 1600 may be accountable for the northern annal’s critical perspective of Hoang. Unlike the southern annal, Hoang is described by the northern annal to be a proud “bearer of wealth, supplies, and weapons.†Thus, he is only recognized because of his wealth and military skill where he did not epitomize nationalism and independence for Vietnam. The southern annal, however, portrays Nguyen Hoang as a hero who was a respected leader that fought for the people and for Vietnam. Southern annal didn’t emphasize as much as the northern annal on Hoang’s past. Nguyen Hoang’s actions and words were very much distinguished between the northern and southern annals, including his relations with the emperor and the Mac. One of the similarities between the two annals is the acknowledgment of his accomplishment of resisting Mac intervention in the South. Both annals had also recognized the successful meeting of Nguyen Hoang to maintain a fraternal bond with the Trinh clan. Whether widely criticized or praised, Nguyen Hoang is still noted by both the northern and southern annals to create the divergence of public opinion on the separation of Vietnam.
Nguyen Hoang signifies the beginning of the southern Vietnamese because he was unconventional where he proved that ability outweighed social status. He didn’t associate himself with the ancestral traditions. By going to the South, he enabled the South to be viewed as a place of change, diversity, and freedom.
Yes, as a result of Vietnamese diaspora, there is a western version of being Vietnamese. The diasporic Vietnamese culture is blended with western characteristics which allows for a sense of displacement in both the east and west. Western Vietnamese no longer engulf themselves into the traditions of their homeland but instead, constantly try to adapt to the western hemisphere and its diversity. Inevitably, such cultural adoption will lead to the loss of origin of the Vietnamese culture.
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Choi Byung Wook, “The Costs of Minh Mang’s Assimilation Policy,†in his Southern Vietnam under the Reign of Minh Mang (1820-1841): Central Policies and Local Response (New York: Cornell University, 2004).
“Viet Nam†was a simple name that reflected the unified territory of An Nam and Viet Thuong. Yet, upon the addition of Cambodia to Viet Nam, Minh Mang decided there was a need to have a more precise name for these regions in order to clearly mark his territorial expansion and power in the South. Therefore, “Dai Nam,†which translates to “Great South,†enabled Minh Mang to declare that his dynasty owned the entire southern region east and west of the Southern Sea.
In order to assimilate the Khmer and minority groups, Minh Mang executed the assimilation policy. These ethnic groups had to learn the Vietnamese language and their own language and temples were discouraged. Khmer and others had to combine their villages with Vietnamese villages. Districts were redrawn and merged to incorporate all of the ethnic groups. Vietnamese and transitional units were also created to enforce integration and the transformation to be Vietnamese.
Minh Mang’s assimilation policy resulted in a giant clash of Asian cultures. There was definite discrimination among the diverse ethnic groups where it was evident in the increase of ethnic intermarriages that took place. The extent of Ming Mang’s radical policy led to insurrections by the non-Viet groups in southern Vietnam. Southerners were prone to ethnic conflicts as well as animosity that branched from such tension. “Buu Son Ky Huong†was a new religion that blossomed from cultural diversity where it identified itself as Vietnamese. Thus, the separation and outline of Vietnamese culture began to make it clear for the southerners of their need to find where they belonged.
1. What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
There are numerous key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†in the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang. The northern annal of the 17th century saw him as a “man more clever than loyal, a capable man who can no longer be governed by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and the power it confersâ€. While as, the southern annual of the 19th century saw him as a “hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his people into a land of peace, a man who knows how to command the loyalty of others, and a man who understands foreign merchantsâ€.
2. Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
We see a southern version of being Vietnamese beginning with Nguyen Hoang because he began the southward expansion. He was exposed to the larger world of Southeast Asia, which enabled him to establish a new version of being Vietnamese. In 1600, he decided to go south was simply drew the Vietnamese away from the traditional definition of a “good Vietnamese†to another kind of “good Vietnameseâ€. In other words, this was an escape from ancestors and escape from the past to the less uptight customs.
3. Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
Definitely, there is a Western version of Vietnamese today. After the Vietnam War, many of our people spread across the world. There are about three million overseas Vietnamese, but majority of them live in the United States. Many of them are quickly adapt to the new society. Therefore, our Vietnamese traditions, language, and customs will eventually drift away.
Keith Taylor, “Nguyen Hoang and the Beginning of Vietnam’s Southward Expansion,†in Anthony Reid, ed., Trade, Power, and Belief (New York: Cornell University Press, 1993).
The key differences between the northern and southern annal’s appraisal of Nguyen Hoang represent the regional differences of Vietnam between the North and the South. Nguyen Hoang’s return to the South in 1600 may be accountable for the northern annal’s critical perspective of Hoang. Unlike the southern annal, Hoang is described by the northern annal to be a proud “bearer of wealth, supplies, and weapons.†Thus, he is only recognized because of his wealth and military skill where he did not epitomize nationalism and independence for Vietnam. The southern annal, however, portrays Nguyen Hoang as a hero who was a respected leader that fought for the people and for Vietnam. Southern annal didn’t emphasize as much as the northern annal on Hoang’s past. Nguyen Hoang’s actions and words were very much distinguished between the northern and southern annals, including his relations with the emperor and the Mac. One of the similarities between the two annals is the acknowledgment of his accomplishment of resisting Mac intervention in the South. Both annals had also recognized the successful meeting of Nguyen Hoang to maintain a fraternal bond with the Trinh clan. Whether widely criticized or praised, Nguyen Hoang is still noted by both the northern and southern annals to create the divergence of public opinion on the separation of Vietnam. Nguyen Hoang signifies the beginning of the southern Vietnamese because he was unconventional where he proved that ability outweighed social status. He didn’t associate himself with the ancestral traditions. By going to the South, he enabled the South to be viewed as a place of change, diversity, and freedom. Yes, as a result of Vietnamese diaspora, there is a western version of being Vietnamese. The diasporic Vietnamese culture is blended with western characteristics which allows for a sense of displacement in both the east and west. Western Vietnamese no longer engulf themselves into the traditions of their homeland but instead, constantly try to adapt to the western hemisphere and its diversity. Inevitably, such cultural adoption will lead to the loss of origin of the Vietnamese culture.
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Choi Byung Wook, “The Costs of Minh Mang’s Assimilation Policy,†in his Southern Vietnam under the Reign of Minh Mang (1820-1841): Central Policies and Local Response (New York: Cornell University, 2004).
“Viet Nam†was a simple name that reflected the unified territory of An Nam and Viet Thuong. Yet, upon the addition of Cambodia to Viet Nam, Minh Mang decided there was a need to have a more precise name for these regions in order to clearly mark his territorial expansion and power in the South. Therefore, “Dai Nam,†which translates to “Great South,†enabled Minh Mang to declare that his dynasty owned the entire southern region east and west of the Southern Sea. In order to assimilate the Khmer and minority groups, Minh Mang executed the assimilation policy. These ethnic groups had to learn the Vietnamese language and their own language and temples were discouraged. Khmer and others had to combine their villages with Vietnamese villages. Districts were redrawn and merged to incorporate all of the ethnic groups. Vietnamese and transitional units were also created to enforce integration and the transformation to be Vietnamese. Minh Mang’s assimilation policy resulted in a giant clash of Asian cultures. There was definite discrimination among the diverse ethnic groups where it was evident in the increase of ethnic intermarriages that took place. The extent of Ming Mang’s radical policy led to insurrections by the non-Viet groups in southern Vietnam. Southerners were prone to ethnic conflicts as well as animosity that branched from such tension. “Buu Son Ky Huong†was a new religion that blossomed from cultural diversity where it identified itself as Vietnamese. Thus, the separation and outline of Vietnamese culture began to make it clear for the southerners of their need to find where they belonged.
• What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang?
There are numerious differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†in the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang. We’ll start with the
Southern “annalâ€- He was seen as a hero asgainst all odds, servives the bloody affairs of cramped, impoverished polity and lead his people into a land of peace. He was raised and educated by his maternal uncle, His brother’s death made Nguyen Hoang the leader of his clan, because of the many merits, Trinh Tung was jealous and accused Nguyen Hoang.
Northern “annalâ€- He was identified as the second song of Nguyen Kim and a duke, sent to lead soldiers to Thuan Hoa guarding eastern pirates. His appointmen of Quang Nam was from Trinh Kiem based on their brotherly affection, and not from the Le emperor. He was known to used a large cannon to destroy Mac forces where in the south was was not described as that. Another significant difference is that there was no tax collector sent by the Le court in 1586.
• Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
I believe it was an escape from ancestors and escape from the past to the less uptight customs. Because of the southward expansion, that drew the Vientnamese way from the source of teir own traditions and was exposed to more of southeast Asian coutires which opened the door to other possibilies that were not as traditional.
• Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
Absolutely, The Vientnamese have adopted a new culture here in America. I believe Vietnmese people are drifting further and further way from traditional beliefs. The ones who are no happy here do not end up staying. My parents for example came over here to work and provide a better life for their kids. By the time they came over it was too late for them to pick up the culture and work at the same time. Eventually, they lost track of it and just devoted their time to working and raising a family rather than adapt to the culture. The beliefs in the two cultures are totally different but adopting is the only way the Vietnamese can fit in and strive in this foreign country.
Article 1
1. What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
There were many differences between the northern “annal” and the “southern annal” regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang. The northern annal showed Nguyen Hoang as a man more clever than loyal, a capable man who can no longer be governed by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and the power it confers. The southern annal showed Nguyen Hoang as a hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his people into a land of peace and plenty, a man who knows how to command the loyalty of others, a man who understands foreign merchants. What both the northern and southern annal have that are are the same is how Nguyen Hoang fought against the Mac.
2. Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese was because Nguyen Hoang began the southern expansion of Vietnam. When Nguyen Hoang did so he left the traditions of the ancestors to the past. He wanted a change from the traditions and customs and wanted to open up different posssiblities then of the traditional ways.
* Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
I think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese. An example of this would be when a Vietnamese person lives in the United States and beginnings to follow many of the American traditions. If I were to go back to Vietnam, many of the people there would not consider me the same Vietnamese as they are but consider me and a Western Vietnamese or Vietnamese American. There are many differences to the culture in Vietnam and the culture in America, such as in food, music, art, fashion, etc. Our greetings as well are different from each other. So I believe that there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese.
* What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
The northern annal had an image of Nguyen Hoang as being a treacherous, arrogant, and ambitious man who threatened the peace and order, a man who could not be moved by appeals to ancestral loyalties, a man that was more clever than loyal. The southern annal showed him as a man who did as he wished and who was feared by the Trinh, a man with a destiny beyond the horizon of his ancestors, a man who resonated with the landscape of a new land, a hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and lead his people into a land of peace and plenty, a man who understands the merchants. What the northern and southern annal had in common was about Nguyen Hoang’s involvement in the battle with the Mac.
* Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
Nguyen Hoang lead the southward expansion of Vietnam. He wanted to lead the Vietnamese people away from the traditions and open up many possiblities that were nontraditional. He wanted the south to be free from traditions. The Southern version of being Vietnamese would be considered the freedom from Vietnam’s past, a change from the traditions of the ancestors.
* Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
I think there is a difference in western version of vietnamese and the current vietnamese diaspora. We act and talk different, althought we are still vietnamese we are not exactly the same way. We were brought up differently
Online Reading and Questions
Keith Taylor, “Nguyen Hoang and the Beginning of Vietnam’s Southward Expansion,†in Anthony Reid, ed., Trade, Power, and Belief (New York: Cornell University Press, 1993).
· What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
Regarding to the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang, the northern annal shows us a man more clever than loyal, a capable man who can no longer be governed by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and the power it confers. Whereas, the southern annal shows us a hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his people into a land of peace and plenty, a man who knows how to command the loyalty of others, a man who understands foreign merchants.
· Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
According to the excerpt, Nguyen Hoang has been ignored by modern Vietnamese historians because he does not exemplify the theme of national unity and resistance to foreign aggression that has been central to the modern Vietnamese experience. But in him, we see the beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese, and because Vietnamese today are no longer able to ignore the differences between north and south within their own tradition, his place in history may become more significant as a key to understanding these differences. Nguyen Hoang’s career may also show us how larger regional trends affected the growth of a southern variant of the national tradition. Nguyen Hoang led the southward expansion of Vietnam by freeing the south from old traditions and offering new traditions that would eventually result in a positive change.
· Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
Yes, I do believe there is such a thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese. This is often a result of being raised in the United States. The Vietnamese has adapted to new cultures and beliefs. Some are putting their old traditions aside and embracing the new traditions in the West. And some are just not ready to accept the new traditions and hope that they will be able to hold on long enough to see their old traditions be pass on. For example, although my family is now considered as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of Vietnamese diaspora, we still hold on to the traditional values that were passed on to us by our ancestors. Though we hold stronger to our Western values, the old traditional values will never be forgotten.
The key differences between northern and southern annals are that the northern records tied Nguyen Hoang’s achievements and relations to the Court when the southern annals characterized Nguyen Hoang as a hero, man of military and feared by the Northern Court. Nguyen Hoang’s talents recorded by the Northern as being arrogant and disobey the court rules, betrayed the ancestors that later lead to warfare. Northern annals to Nguyen Hoang’s appointment as Thuan Hoa’s commander was his merit of being son Nguyen Kim when the southern recorded as his talents. Both annals are biased to Nguyen Hoang. The Northern annals showed only the events that eventually lead to Nguyen Hoang’s rebellion while the Southern annals shoed such events recorded by the North are not existed. Instead, southern annals construct the preferred image and characteristics of a great king. The prosperous of southern due to its demographics and nature added successes to Nguyen Hoang’s court – recorded by his lack of interest in Faifo, the profitable commercial port. The northern accounts for the Mac’s influences in was dissolved thus improve the public’s morality that able the area to built a commercial port while southern account Hoang’s strict rules and enforcement on market, battlefield reputation lead to success. After all accounts of Nguyen’s success, speculations of the Northern annals begin to emerge start with the envoy. Northern viewed as inspecting the troops to keep order while southern viewed as heartiness. Northern court does afraid of Nguyen’s power and he will overthrow the court but did not show in the annals. In respond, Southern indicate North’s envy of their prosperous and the power king. The speculations between two sides grew stronger with the letter of Trinh Tung’s letter to Nguyen. The differences in timing of the annals emphasized the culture shift of each time. The northern annals indicate the kinship is most important while southern annals is more modernized in belief talent is the key to success as seen in Nguyen Hoang. Both annals agreed on the political reason of Nguyen’s departure and his activities during the time he spent at the north.
Through Nguyen Hoang, southern version started by the connection of the guiding deity to the great ruler compare to his being as a king. Nguyen Hoang built many temples praise both the spirits and Buddha. Nguyen then extended his territory by colonized the southeast part of Asia. The colonized states to Nguyen’s court then fuse their own culture to exist Vietnamese and created the new Southern version.
I think Western version of being Vietnamese does exist. The Vietnamese integrate the western traditions such as the lifestyle to the Vietnamese culture. The Western version is not documented yet but culturally accepted. Firstly, type of clothe wear by the young generation. For example, the type of clothes that “most†young Vietnamese (Asians) wear – tight cloths such as Hollister, and Abercrombie brand are the western Vietnamese, while defined whomever wear ao ba` ba, and other as FOB. I think this clothing only exist outside of Vietnam, but inside of Vietnam as well. The Vietnamese in Vietnam do dream about the western Vietnamese as being materialistically rich and somewhat modernized, therefore the trend also found here. Secondly, the key of Western version is anti communism stated strongly by the activists in the community protest communism on April 30. Thirdly, the language is different in sense of lingual. Vietnamese vocal in western sounds softer than in Vietnam regardless of the dialects.
• What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
Although, there are many differences between the northern annal and the southern annal, these were the type differences…
Northern:
- Dai viet su ky toan thu (2nd half of 17th century)
- Le dynasty annual
- Man more clever then loyal, a capable man who can no longer be govern by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and power it confers.
- The 10th month of 1558, the chancellor (thai su) Trinh Kiem requested of Le emperor that Nguyen Hoang, identified as the second son of Nguyen Kim and a duke (quan cong), be sent to lead soldiers to Thuan Hoa “to stand guard against the eastern pirates†and “give mutual aid†to the duke in charge of Quang Nam; “all local matters whether great or small and including all tax assessments, everything,†were placed in Nguyen Hoang’s hands and he was instructed “to receive each year the taxes that are dueâ€
- Responsible for vulnerable frontier jurisdiction
- The northern annal sees the appointment of Nguyen Hoang to be commander of Thuan Hoa as a straightforward admisistrative act
- The northern annal reveals Trinh Kiem as the active agent and focuses entirely on the imperial appointment. Furthermore, and this already foreshadows the accusation of unfilial behavior that became the most damning Trinh complaint against Nguyen Hoang
- Northern annal justifies the appointment not simply on Nguyen Hoang’s “ability and foresight†but, more importantly, upon the fact that he is the son of Nguyen Kim.
- Emphasizes the blood bond between Nguyen Hoang and Trinh Kiem
- Includes all the text of an imperial edict written for Nguyen Hoang to announce at the tomb of Trinh Kiem conferring on Kiem a posthumous promotion.
Southern:
- Dai nam thuc luc (Early 19th century)
- Nguyen dynasty annual
- Shows us a hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his people into a land of peace and plenty, a man who knows how to command the loyalty of others, a man who understands foreign merchants.
- Southern annual begins with an extensive biography of Nguyen Hoang, including accounts of the careers of his father and grandfather. Explaining that he was raised and educated by his maternal uncle, who became his most trusted adviser and eventually accompanied him south.
- He excelled in battle and is credited with killing a Mac general, he was accordingly promoted to the rank of duke
- The southern annal, the imperial appointment was simply a mechanism to implement an act already determined by Nguyen Hoang after consultation with the one man who, amid the prevailing political disorders, wielded a moral authority acknowledged by all contending parties.
- Not much interested in tying Hoang to this past, but it does briefly note that the first thing he did after greeting the mperor on his arrival in the north was to go to the Thanh Hoa to visit the tombs of his ancestors and report to them.
Simlarities:
Regional versions of significant episodes in national history
Nguyen Hoang’s success in defeating the Mac intervention in the south during this critical time in the fortunes of the anti-Mac alliance
•Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
Although Nguyen Hoang hasn’t been acknowledged by most historians, he has made a great impact throughout Vietnamese culture. First of foremost he lead the southward expansion in Vietnam away from regular original traditions by exemplifying many new and different traditions. Examples include how he unified the North and South traditions and built an array of temples that glorifies different beliefs.
•Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
I definitely believe that there is a western version of being Vietnamese because the diasporas. In the western Vietnamese community, many of the original cultural values have adapted to the new modern world and technology. Although, it is slightly different, in some ways it is still the same. The Vietnamese food, religion, music, clothing for examples has deviated in so many ways.
What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
- The “sothern annal” saw a cocky Nguyen Hoang that was “more clever than loyal, a capable man who can no longer be governed by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and the power it confersâ€. On the other hand the “nothern annal” percieved Nguyen Hoang as a “hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his people into a land of peace, a man who knows how to command the loyalty of others, and a man who understands foreign merchantsâ€. The only similarity between the two annals is the participation of Nguyen Hoang in the struggle against the Mac.
Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
- Nguyen Hoang is attributed with starting the southern expansion of Vietnam. He was influenced when in Southeat Asia which led him to change what was acceptable in Vietnam from a more traditional style to a less uptight way of life.
Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
- As the Vietnamese people have been forced to adopt a foreign and completely different culture, they have somewhat transformed their identity and lost touch with their native culture. The mass immigration of Vietnamese people to the United States ,and the brith of Vietnamese Americans in the United States has undoubtlely created a Western Version of Vietnamese people. The Western Vietnamese has for the most part adopted the western culture but still in some ways clings to the Vietnamese way of life.
* Why did Minh Mang change the country name from “Viet Nam†to “Dai Nam†in 1838?
From the beginning of the Nguyen dynasty, the choice of names for the country was an important aspect in Vietnamese culture. The name chosen would indicate the Vietnamese’s rule over the territory. Viet Nam was orignally Nam Viet, which was the combination of “An Nam” and “Viet Thuong” in remembrance to their accomplishments, then was conversed to Viet Nam. It wasn’t until 1838, under Gia Dinh’s rule that it changed to Dai Nam. The decision was made because the dynasty rulers felt that that title “Viet Nam” belittled their accomplishments, they felt it no longer adequately represented their expanded kingdom. Viet Nam only referred to the Vietnamese territory, as more land was added, the Vietnamese felt they needed to rename their land to showcase their victories over other territories. They now owned the entire southern part, from the South Sea to the the land on the west; the entire “nam phuong.” The new title was thus changed to “Dai Nam.” Dai means big and Nam means South, this would indicate that they owned the entire Southern Land. The name “Dai Nam” reflected the dynasties control over three regions that had been separate before An Nam of the Vietnamese, Viet Thuong of Champa, and the former territory of Cambodia.
* What are some of the methods used to assimilate the Khmer minority and other ethnic minority communities?
To assimilate the ethnic groups, Minh Mang wanted them to follow the same educational outline so in order to do this he had the sons of the ethnic leaders in the areas near Tuyen Quang, Cao Bang, and Lang Son study at the national college “Quoc Tu Giam’ in Hue. The need to assimiliate was strongest in the region of Gia Dinh because that was where the most Khmer people resided. Because Khmer was the largest ethnic group among the many other ethnic regions, Minh Mang started combining Khmer villages with that of Vietnamese villages so they can unite and become one with each other, dismissing the diversity formerly found. This was difficult for the southerners because under the Gia Dinh regime they had learned to draw the boundaries between Vietnamese and barbarians, under Gia Long they were forced to live separately by ethnic groups; thus, to suddenly assimilate into one big happy family was a drastic movement. In 1835, Minh Mang ordered Vietnamese officials in Cambodia to teach the residents Han Am, by the 19th century the word “han” indicated Vietnamese and not Chinese, including their people, customs and language. Inspired by Minh Mang’s assimilation policies, one of his men infoced an exchange policy to help the Khmer people in his district learn the Vietnamese Language. To do this, he instructed the Vietnamese people under his supervision to first learn the Khmer language to be able to sucessfully communicate with the Khmer people, in exchange the khmer people will study Vietnamese. This was opposite of what Minh Mang did, he absolutely forbade any knowledge of the Khmer language for Vietnamese. The outline for his plan are as follows:
1. Combine Khmer village with Vietnamese villages to make a Vietnamese tong.
2. Attaching Vietnamese villages to a Khmer distric and vice versa.
3. Merging Khmer districts wiht Vietnamese districts.
4. Building Vietnamese villages in the middle of Khmer villages.
* What are the results of Minh Mang’s assimilation policy?
Khmer diasporas, they were forced to gradually disappear from their homeland to assimilate into the Vietnamese culture leaving behind their language and culture. For example, before assimilation, a Khmer village would be characterized by a temple in the middle of that village. Since the expansion of Vietnam, that temple has been replaced by a Vietnamese one; thus, erasing all traces of a Khmer village ever in exisitence.
1. What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
According to Keith Taylor, in northern annal Nguyen Hoang was described as a man more clever than loyal, a capable man who can no longer be governed by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and the power it confers. In Southern annal, He was described as a hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his people into a land of peace and plenty, a man who knows how to command the loyalty of others, a man who understands foreign merchants.
2. Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
In 1600, Nguyen Hoang began his southward expansion which drew the Vietnamese away from the source of their own traditions and exposed them to a non-Vietnamese world with possibilities of being Vietnamese in nontraditional ways. Then he was exposed to more of Southeast Asian countries.
3. Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
Yes, I believe there’s a Western version of being Vietnamese. Vietnamese left Vietnam because of the communist party. They came to America because they do not agree with the communist point of view and want a better life for themselves and their children. They normally adults and already have a strong sense of Vietnamese culture. However, first generation Vietnamese in America grow up with Americans and adopted their culture eating French fries and hamburgers. They have not actually experienced the adversity that their parents had encounter so their knowledge as a Vietnamese will be different.
1. What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
The Northern “annal” is one of disloyalty, who although resourceful, and determined, is not a man who can be controlled by the pressing influences of ancient traditions of the North. He is seen as the beginning of division, by the North, and as a result, portrayed as arrogant, being swept away by the swells of pride which surround the gains of wealth and power.
The Southern “annal” is a hero, of course, providing them with an answer to absolutism, which is what the North desires. He is seen as a survivor, and a leader of loyal followers, who in turn help him to actualize peace in South Vietnam.
It is clear that the two versions are propagandized by each side, each seeing, and making true what ever version of the story makes their cause look better, or their past look more noble, but it is likely that neither one is far from the truth. Also, another similarity is that Nguyen Hoang fought against the Mac.
2. Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
Because his legend amplifies their pre-existing differences, and the dividing line between them. The “unity” that the North aspired to is quite the opposite of the “unity” desired by emerging Southern thinking Vietnamese. His southward expansion was able to lead these thinkers from the North toward the development of their own newly individualized Vietnamese culture.
3. Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
Yes. I believe that as the Vietnamese have exhibited throughout their history, that they are a culture whose survival and consistency is derived from the adaptations to cultural ideals which are suitable to be merged with their own ideals in order to keep tradition, while creating new tradition, all the while maintaining a unique quality of Vietnameseness. That having been said, I believe that there are many versions of being Vietnamese as a result of all and any Vietnamese diaspora, and definitely in the West.
What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
The northern annul downplays the importance of Nguyen Hoang and depicts him as a radical because he challenged the traditional ways of Vietnamese life. They also question his integrity, describing him as more snake like and clever than loyal. His character is also questioned because Nguyen Hoang is described as being arrogant from wealth and power. This description of Nguyen Hoang varies vastly from the Southern Annul, in which he is regarded as a hero that survives against all odds to lead his homeland to peace and prosperity. The Southern Annul describes him as a man who was well respected that commanded the loyalty of others. Although these descriptions are biased, there are some similarities. Both of the annuls give Nguyen Hoang credit for defeating the Mac. When looked at together, both the northern and southern annuls describe an important event in vietnamese history.
Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
As Vietnamese expanded southward during this time, they had to adapt to being exposed to different southern cultures. In addition, being further away from the North for so long creates cultural and identity differences. For example, while we are all Americans, individuals living in New England identify themselves differently from individuals in the south. The same can be said for Vietnam during this time, being located away from the northern culture allowed for southern vietnamese to develop their own culture and identity.
Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
I do believe that there is a western version of being Vietnamese. Our experiences in the United States have shaped the way in which we identify ourselves. While, we still hold on to core cultural aspects we have added new traditions and values that have been influenced by living in America. Evidence of a western version of being Vietnamese can be seen in the displacement of second and third generation Vietnamese Americans returning to Vietnam. If there was not a western version of being Vietnamese, there would not be any displacement.
1. What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
The northern annul shows the importance of the Nguyen Hoang and reflects him as a extreme because he challenged the traditional ways of Vietnamese life. He is depicted as dynamic character making him more tweaky then loyal. In southern Annal however, he is described as a hero that could do the impossible. The most noble of all the men in the lands.
2. Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
Nguyen Hoang expanded which forced a split within traditions, beliefs, and concepts within the 1600s. It exposed Vietnam to many other different way of living such as areas around them including Laos and Cambodia.
3. Do you think there is such thing as a Wester version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
Obviously there is a difference between the western version and the current Vietnamese diaspora. The western people are more culturally diverse and willing to take in more aspects of the rest of the world where as the current Vietnamese diaspora is less likely to expand ideas and cultural diffusion.
1) According to the article, the northern annal always related to Nguyen Hoang’s ancestors and his past, while the southern annal could careless about Nguyen Hoang’s past achievments. Both the north and the south annal, have similiar versions of significant events in History.
2) We see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese, because of Nguyen Hoang southward expansion by help unifying the North and South traditions as well as building various temples with different beliefs.
3) I believe there is a such thing as “western version of being Vietnamese.” If you look around in todays Vietnamese communities, there are many traditions and culturals that people still carry out today from when they still resided in Vietnam. Food and religious beliefs may have been altered a bit because of the surroundings but are still pretty much the same.
What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
Northern:
-“more clever than loyal, a capable man who can no longer be governed by appeals to his ancestors, a man grown arrogant by his familiarity with wealth and the power it confersâ€
- identified only as the son of Nguyen Kim and commander of Thuan Hoa by imperial appointment
-Royal court claimed they were too occupied and had no one but Nguyen Hoang to sent to Thuan Hoa
- Argues “Trinh Kiem as the active agent and focuses on imperial appointmentâ€
- Nguyen Kim only earns creditability from the merit of his father, not his own accomplishments.
Southern:
- “Exemplary founder of the imperial houseâ€
-“Hero who against all odds survives the bloody affairs of a cramped, impoverished polity and leads his people into a land of peace, a man who knows how to command the loyalty of others, and a man who understands foreign merchantsâ€
- Detailed biography which includes background on father and grandfather.
- Victorious warrior with fame in killing a Mac general.
- Thuan Hoa “appointment legitimizes inauguration for Dai Namâ€
-His brother’s death inherits him leader of the clan, which gives him reason to go south.
-Nguyen Hoang initiates an appointment with Trinh Kiem
-Ruler of the South was his intention, not by the will of the imperial court.
Similarities:
Nguyen Hoang is noted for the separation of Vietnam and also the resistance of Mac forces
Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
We see a southern version because Nguyen Hoang led the downward expansion in Vietnam. He gave way for Vietnamese to be Vietnamese in a nontraditional way and build their own customs. By exposing the South to other Southeast Asian countries, Vietnamese were able to “escape†the controlling beliefs of the North.
Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
There is definitely a Western version of Vietnamese and we can see this by comparing the differences in culture of Vietnam verses the West. We have Vietnam and then we have communities, like Little Saigon. In Little Saigon, we see a melting pot of Vietnameseness and other diffused cultures. When you leave your own country to live in a completely different one; it is like to you have to relearn how to live life in order to fit into that environment. When you do that, you either keep your traditions, while picking up new ones; or you can totally separate yourself and keep all original values you have. One usually finds that people who refuse to assimilate themselves have a harder time being successful. Therefore, we must adapt and assimilate ourselves in a new society in order to survive.
Why did Minh Mang change the country name from “Viet Nam†to “Dai Nam†in 1838?
-The name “Dai Nam” reflected the dynasty’s unification of three regions that had been seperated before: An Nam of the Vietnamese, Viet Thoung of Champa, and the former territory of Cambodia. Due to the territorial expansion to the south, he felt that renaming the country to Dai Nam would give a clearer meaning. To possess the south (nam phuong) was equivalent to possessing Gia Dinh and Cambodia as well, because Cambodia had been under the jurisdiction of Gia Dinh Thanh Tong Tran.
What are some of the methods used to assimilate the Khmer minority and other ethnic minority communities?
-Khemer People
a) Combining Khemer villages and Vietnamese villages to make a Vietnamese administrative unit.
b) Attaching Vietnamese villages to a Khemer district, and vice versa.
c) Merging Khemer districts with Vietnamese districts.
d) Building Vietnamese villages in the middle of Khemer villages.
e) Creating Khemer diaspora.
f) Vietnamization of Khemer cults.
-Ethnic Minorities in Bien Hoa
a) Bien Hoa minorities were organized into autonomous communes.
b) Creating a Vietnamese unit.
c) Creating a Vietnamese district consisting of several ethnic minorities.
e) Encouraging villagers to become Vietnamese.
f) Raising childern to be new Vietnamese.
-Chinese Settlers
a) Abolition of thanh nhan associations because thanh nhan associations suffered significant discrimination in the field of commerce.
b) Conversion of thanh nhan to minh huong.
c) Discrimination against minh huong Chinese, and the possibility of assimilation.
What are the results of Minh Mang’s assimilation policy?
-The assimilation project aimed to Vietnamize all ethnic groups of southern Vietnam, and in this effort, southerners were assigned-and also volunteered-to act as part of the vanguard. As long as they were ethnically Vietnamese, the court considered them appropriate tools for furthering Vietnamization. It was during this time that a higher percentage of the southern Vietnamese population experienced conflict with other ethnic groups. As a result of the extreme policy of assimilation, the central court saw another rupture in southern Vietnam, and for years southern Vietnam was swept by ethnic turmoil between Vietnamese and ethnic minority groups.
-Crystal Nguyen-
1) What are the key differences between the northern “annal†and the “southern annal†regarding the appraisal of Nguyen Hoang? Is there any similarities?
The Key differences between the northern and southern annal’sappraisal of Nguyen Hoang represents the regional seperation and differences of the north and south. Hoang is percieved by the north as the bearer of wealth, supplies and weapons. In the south however, he is portrayed as a hero who was a respecable leader who fought for Vietnam. One similarity, a very important one, is that fact that even though both see Hoang as a differnt kind of superiority, they both acknowledge the fact that he is in fact a hero.
2) Why in Nguyen Hoang do we see a beginning of a southern version of being Vietnamese?
Nguyen Hoang represents the beginning of a southern version Vietnamese because he was “original”. He was differnt because he did not let social status affect his abilities.
3) Do you think there is such thing as a Western version of being Vietnamese as a result of the current Vietnamese diaspora?
A Vietnamese Diaspora community joined by a western community most definitely does cause verson of being Western Vietnamese. The Vietnamese culture is blended with Western characteristics which may cause a sense of displacement in both the east and west.
I was born in vietnam and came to united state in 1975 and at that time I don’t know anything about vietnam history until 2000. I start to search into vietnamtourism.com and I search into vietnam history, then I started to like more about my own back ground I always wonder why we have to be here in usa and what about vietnam?
After I read more about vietnam history background I start like it very much. I do give the vietnamese people in the north still keep the history for us and the american vietnamese are still concerning the vietnamese culture and ethnic and we are all con cua lac long quan lords and au co queen of mountains. I want to know is Phan last name is from the chinese or from the vietnamese of cham? I need you to email me and let me know…thanks…JulieChinhPhan
Julie C Phan,
So why do you have to be here in the US?
Go back to the blood land and expand more and kill all the weak races. I am so ashamed of being Viet the more I know about the ugly
bloody history upon other weak races. One day God will severely punish Vietnam. Now I know why Viets are so hated by many.