Chinese Colonial Diasporas (207 B.C.-939 A.D.)
The Colonial Diasporas and their Effects on Vietnamese Displacement (207 B.C.-939 A.D.)
The Nan Yueh Period (207-111 B.C.)
In 222 B.C., Ch’in Shih Huang Ti triumphed over his rivals and brought an end to the anarchic period of the Warring States, forming the first fully centralized empire in Chinese history. He then established the Ch’in dynasty. Even before his triumph, Shih Huang Ti in 221 B.C. had already planned an expedition and three years later, ordered half a million soldiers to invade the southern Yueh lands. Ch’in’s aggrandizement appeared to be economic; its linkages of the Yueh lands (at that time still far more being completely sinicized) were through the then-existing commercial exchanges between northern China and the southern Yueh realm. [1] The earliest description of this campaign revealed that “Ch’in Shih Huang Ti was interested in rhinoceros horn, the elephant tusks, the kingfisher plumes, and the pearls of Yueh; he therefore sent Commissioner T’u Sui at the head of five hundred thousand men divided into five armies.” [2]
By 207 B.C., a Ch’in general Chao T’o (Trieu Da in Vietnamese and who was among the above campaign), was able to establish a Chinese southern state (from 207-111 B.C.) that commanded both the Kwantung and Kwangsi Provinces, and the Red River Delta of northern Vietnam. Chao T’o proclaimed himself King of Nan Yueh in 207 B.C., established his capital near modern Canton, and later assumed the title of emperor in 183 B.C. It is not certain whether the Au Lac kingdom was incorporated in 207 B.C. into Nan Yueh, whether Nan Yueh gained the vassalage of Au Lac in 180 B.C. by means of “rich gifts,” or if sometime after the conquest and before 180 B.C., Au Lac gained its independence (of which there is no evidence). [3]
Notwithstanding, for the first time, northern Vietnam was part of a kingdom encompassing all of southern China, which was stamped with the personality of its founder, Chao T’o. [4] That is, with the eminent collapse of Ch’in state as a new Han dynasty competed for power after the death of Ch’in Shih Huang Ti in 209 B.C., Chao T’o had the means to establish an independent kingdom because of the remoteness of the southern Yueh lands. To do so, he sealed “the mountain passes leading north and eliminated all the officials not personally loyal to him.” [5]

Thus, the purpose and scope of Chao T’o's dynastic aggrandizement of Nan Yueh was to create an independent dynasty ‘divorced’ from the newly established Han dynasty, but also one that needed a new basis for political and economic power. This may explain why Chao T’o sought to build popularity and loyalty among the non-Chinese population by adapting the manner of the local peoples and resisting Han aggression. [6] However, Chao T’o was interested in developing commercial centers in order to support his newly independent kingdom in which he had also introduced the Chinese language. But overall, the effects of Chao T’o's dynastic aggrandizement on Nan Yueh appeared not to have directly forced Chinese influence on the local cultures, and, at some level, Chinese immigrants were required under his reign to adopt the local customs and to intermarry with the local peoples. [7]
Chao T’o divided the conquered lands of Au Lac into two prefectures: Giao Chi (located in Hong River plain) and Cuu Chan (located in the smaller plain of the Ma River to the south). According to Keith Taylor, the traditional Lac order in which a royal Lac court and lords continued to exist at Co Loa remained intact, although as a vassal, two legates were assigned to oversee this commercial center. [8] But, at the same time, some degree of mixture of foreign elements, such as a greater reinforcement of Yueh element and Chinese influence probably took place at Co Loa. [9]
Worthy of note is that later Vietnamese remembered Chao T’o as one who defended their land against Chinese aggression. In 544, when Ly Bi of a mixed Sino-Vietnamese class rose against a tyrant Chinese governor, he proclaimed himself emperor of Nan Yueh, evoking the precedent of Chao T’o who had earlier defied the Han dynasty. [10] After 939 B.C., when Ngo Quyen held off southern Han attacks (which proved to be a milestone to the path of national independence), he took on a title of a Vietnamese king, rather taking on Chinese-style political titles, and “once more gave the country its former name of [Nan Yueh].” [11] In 966, when Bo Linh proclaimed himself emperor to assert his political equality between Vietnam and China, he also assigned his son Lien the title “King of Nan Yueh.” [12]
In Vietnamese the word Nan Yueh is Nam Viet. In 1802, Emperor Gia Long of the Nguyen dynasty wanted to rename the newly unified country as “Nam Viet,” although it is not certain whether Gia Long sought “Nam Viet” as a way to indicate the newly gained southern territories of the former Cham and Khmer states or to indicate equality with China. Nevertheless, in 1803 he sought the Chinese emperor’s approval of the name. The Chinese emperor rejected this name because it would conjecture territorial ambitions since Chao T’o's Nam Viet had included two Chinese provinces. [13] The Chinese emperor resolved this issue by simply reversing the order of the two words into: Viet Nam.
Early Han Period (111 B.C. – 43 A.D.)
In 112 B.C., when Nan Yueh dynasty broke its ties of vassalage to China, the Han Emperor Wu Ti proceeded to occupy the country. A year later, Nan Yueh was incorporated into the empire and formed the province of Giao. In northern Vietnam, an additional province of Nhat Nam (stretching from Hoanh Son to Hai Van Pass) was added to the two previous commanderies of Giao Chi and Cuu Chan.
Northern Vietnam under the Han overlords, according to Keith Taylor, “left no mark on the legendary traditions of the Vietnamese people; unlike the fall of Au Lac, the fall of Nan Yueh did not loom in the collective memory of the Vietnamese.” [14] Similarly, Georges Coedes noted that Han overlords did not bring provinces of Nan Yueh “under the imperial administration, and did not alter the institutions they found there,” since purpose and scope of Han’s conquest was to secure and control “the opening between the ports Kwantung and of northern Viet-Nam” and other existing commercial centers. [15] However, there was a recorded accident in which a certain “General of the Left Old Au Lac” received a title from Han as a reward for his having killed the “King of Tay Vu [a name derived from the region where Co Loa was built].” [16] But it appeared that after submitting to the Han overlords, the Lac lords ruled in their accustomed manner, except that “the principle of prefectural and district administration was established as an official policy.” [17]
It was not until the beginning of the first century A.D. that the Chinese governs began changing “the people through [marriage] rites and justice [prefectural and district administration],” sinicizing, or spreading the Chinese language, ideographs, ethics, and customs more thoroughly than before through new schools and enforced administration decrees. [18] Chinese influence became stronger with the arrival of Chinese political refugees (and their scholar-official families), who refused to recognize the Wang Mang who usurped the Han throne (9-25 A.D.).
Because of a growing awareness of Vietnam’s agricultural potential, Chinese policy in northern Vietnam during the early decades of the first century focused on developing an agrarian economy as a stable government source of tax revenue. [19] It is conjectured that in order for Chinese administrative policy to be effective, the Vietnamese family unit had to be “remade,” because the Chinese concept of political authority rested on a tightly controlled patriarchal family system. [20] Thus, there was an administrative agenda in establishing a patriarchal society in northern Vietnam based on monogamous marriage that would respond to Han-style government. [21]
And because the Lac lords were responsible to implement these new Han policies, cultural supports for the traditional authority of the Lac lords began to crumble. Inevitably, “as discrepancies between the old principle of aristocratic hierarchy and the new principle of prefectural and district administration became increasingly evident, the Lac lords were faced with the choice of becoming subordinate officials in Han government or of taking their case to the battlefield.” [22]
This is the backdrop of the Trung sisters’ rebellion in 40 A.D. From Chinese accounts, Trung Trac was a daughter of a Lac lord of Me Linh (northwest of Hanoi) and was married to a Lac lord of Chu Dien (near the Hong River plain); Trung Trac had a constant companion in her younger sister, Trung Nhi. In reacting to the reportedly greedy and inept prefect of Giao Chih (Su Ting), Trung Trac “of a brave and fearless disposition” stirred her husband to action and mobilized the Lac lords against the Chinese. [23] In 40 A.D., the Chinese settlements were overrun and the provinces of Cuu Chan and Nhat Nam joined the sisters’ uprising. Trung Trac had “established a royal court at Me Linh and was recognized as queen by sixty-five strongholds [fiefs],” and “it is recorded that for two years she ‘adjusted the taxes’ of Giao Chi and Cuu Chan.” [24]
By 42 A.D. an expedition led by Ma Yuan, one of the best Chinese generals at the time, arrived in the delta area with 20,000 men to quell the sisters’ rebellion, though when he initially approached the sisters’ armies, the size of the latter compelled him to retreat into the hills. But by May 43 A.D. Ma Yuan won a bloody but decisive victory at Lang Bac in which several thousand Vietnamese were captured and beheaded. [25]
The cultural significance of this short-lived uprising is that it illustrates the indigenous ability to resist Chinese aggression. Trung sisters in later centuries were incorporated to the pantheon of national spirits able to give supernatural spirits aid in time of need; [26] according to a noted fifteenth century literary scholar and military hero, Nguyen Trai, the Trung sisters renamed the recover state as Hung Lac. [27] While Ma Yuan’s suppression of revolt cast the country into the stream of Chinese civilization, Trung sisters’ resistance “effectively ‘froze’ the Dong Son heritage in a moment of heroic courage” and eventually and spiritually called “the Vietnamese back to ancient inheritance.” [28]
Interestingly, later Vietnamese Confucius scholars favored the idea that the Trung sisters’ revolt was provoked by, and rightfully acted to revenge, the death of Trung Trac’s husband, Thi Sach, at the hands of Han officials. But the Chinese sources revealed that Thi Sach followed his wife’s leadership, and that there is no evidence of this death; [29] so that Trung Trac’s reign as a queen may have taken place while her husband was still alive. Also, a large percentage of the more than fifty recorded names and biographies that followed Trung Trac’s uprising were women. The matriarchal element is further tested that Trung Trac’s mother’s tomb and spirit temple survived, although nothing remains of her father. Moreover, according to reliable source, the two siblings’ surname was Hung, which conjectured the possibility that the Trung sisters were associated with the mythical Hung dynasty and that such dynasty could have allowed a female ruler? [30]
Displacement Effects under Chinese Direct Rule (After 43 A.D.)
Notwithstanding, the defeat of the Trung sisters saw the end of the pre-Chinese popular leaders and the traditional ruling class (that of the Lac), as Ma Yuan followed up his victory by organizing a permanent administration and direct rule in the delta. [31] In effect, after the defeat of the Trung sisters, the “placement” of Vietnamese identity within the “middle kingdom” consisted of physical, psychological, cultural, and intellectual displacements.
For example, in terms of physical displacement, historical sources implied that after Ma Yuan’s victory, three to five thousand were captured and headed in Cuu Chan and several hundred families were deported to China. [32] In northern Vietnam, Han soldiers were settled to protect and implemented Han administrative and its agenda, including the idea that the conquered were now “to bind” to a formal promise or oath to obey the “old regulations.” [33] In addition, Han soldiers took the rice fields away from the Lac lords and were the direct means for building Han-style patterns of land ownership and revenue collection. [34]
In regard to psychological displacement (where the behavioral impulse is redirected from a more threatening activity or person(s) to a less threatening one), Vietnamese shifted their identity to take account of their new position. That is, for the Vietnamese, their name Lac was no longer of account, whereas the Yueh/Viet identity was forced but also carried some social status with it. From the Chinese view, Yueh/Viet was to express the conquered people’s place within the “middle kingdom” but it was to be temporary since these people would eventually be civilized and become Chinese.
Cultural displacement had also occurred. The Trung sisters’ revolt demonstrated the greater role of women in the traditional Vietnamese societies, the individualistic tendencies and its bilateral character. As noted earlier, according to Chinese sources, Trung Trac’s husband, Thi Sach, followed his wife’s leadership, and that Trung Trac’s reign may have taken place while her husband was still alive. [35] Thus, for Han officials, the Vietnamese family had to conform to the Chinese family system so as to make the former more hospitable to Chinese concept of government. This included decrees encouraging stable, monogamous marriage, discouraging the practice of levirate (that is, a man must marry the widow of his childless brother in order to maintain the brother’s line), and reforming women to be more trustworthy and less promiscuous. [36] Thus, such modifications restrained the matriarchal elements and trends of the Vietnamese traditional society.
Finally, intellectual displacement is also evident. According to the conventional view of Chinese scholars and French sinologists, when the Chinese conquered the Hong River plain, “they met ‘barbarians’ whose beliefs and social organization had something in common with those of their own Chinese…early ancestors…and this goes some way toward explaining why they were so rapidly and so easily able to impose their own civilization…[for the Vietnamese] they were simply a later [Chinese], more advanced stage of a common cultural basis.” [37] And once direct Chinese colonial rule had been enforced, Chinese influence “left indelible traces on [Vietnamese] language, literature, and institutions, and indeed the whole of its intellectual life.” [38]
While the conventional view acknowledged that Chinese occupation was confronted with “members of the native population who were attached to their traditional institutions and hostile to foreign rule,” [39] it does not directly acknowledge that Vietnamese were victims and were displaced by Chinese colonial diasporas. Rather, it focuses on the perception that because the traditional Vietnamese society in prehistoric times lacked the inventiveness, its history is linked to the arrival of Chinese civilization, but one that has been “receptive rather than creative when brought into contact.” [40] The defining theme in this view is that “the Vietnamese borrowed so many cultural traits from China that even when it achieved political independence, it still remained an offshoot of Chinese civilization.” [41]
However, as discussed earlier, the traditional Vietnamese society both in prehistoric and early history was by its own account rich and vibrant and demonstrated that it was not simply displaced by Chinese colonial diasporas, but also ‘localizers’ and ‘resisters’ of those diasporas.
A Prolonged Re-independence Process (44-939 A.D.)
As noted by Keith Taylor, when strong Chinese dynasties asserted their power in Vietnam, it drew the Vietnamese closer to China and cut them off from their non-Chinese neighbors. [42] This was the case from 44-544 A.D. and from 603-909 A.D. In these periods, Vietnamese had to learned to articulate their non-Chinese identity, as well as having their resistance to colonial rule (including their alliance with non-Chinese neighbors) modified, in terms of strong Chinese civilizing governors and their military power. [43] When Chinese power was weak at the center or temporarily withdrew from Vietnam, local heroes attempted to initiate and enforce a new concept of frontiers that set the Vietnamese off from China and their southern neighbors. [44] This was the case from 541-603 A.D. and from 909-980.
Therefore, the proximity and intensity of Chinese civilizing mission and military power were important determinants of Vietnam’s re-independence process. Overall, the patterns of Chinese immigration and settlement in northern Vietnam reflected Chinese commercial interests, including wanting a port on South China Sea, tax revenues from the agricultural fields and households, and precious rarities. In order to realize these commercial interests, the people of northern Vietnam had to be militarily conquered because they demographically dominated this area. And, because the traditional Vietnamese society and its institutions and infrastructure of communal thought and action proved to be deep and its defenses could not easily be forced by outsiders, they needed to be transformed and be incorporated into the Chinese civilization and empire. As noted by other scholars, the spread and implementation of Chinese civilization into the northeast of the peninsula and southeast of the south sea is the direct result of its assimilation policy put into practice of which was unlikely without military conquest and annexation of territory.
After Ma Yuan’s victory over the Trung sisters, a new ruling class emerged from the marriage between Han Chinese soldiers/immigrants and local Vietnamese families. While this Han-Viet ruling class formally accepted Han culture with few or no reservations, overtime they developed their own perspective on Chinese civilization by taking a regional point of view that owed much to the indigenous heritage. That is, as conjectured by Keith Taylor, because the Vietnamese language survived, “it is reasonable to assume that after the first or second generation, Han immigrants spoke Vietnamese” and more “were effectively ‘Vietnamized’ than the Vietnamese were sinicized.” [45] By 136 A.D., the middle and low level Han officials “may have had three grandparents of indigenous stock and only one grandfather of northern origin”; then the Han character may have been “seriously compromised by marriage.” [46]
In 231 A.D., a Chinese prefect acknowledged that there were local customs that have proven to be impervious to Chinese influence. He then pondered why the Chinese were interested in such a place:
They easily become rebellious and are difficult to pacify; district officials act dignified but are careful not to provoke them. What can be obtained from field and household taxes is meager. On the other hand, this place is famous for precious rarities from afar: pearls, incense, drugs, elephant tusks, rhinoceros horn, tortoise shell, coral, lapis lazuli, parrots, kingfishers, peacocks, rare and abundant treasures enough to satisfy all desires. So it is not necessary to depend on what is received from taxes in order to profit the Central Kingdom. [47]
In regard to Han’s actual implementation of administrative governance, it appeared, from Han historiography, that a Chinese official who “governed with benevolence and was tolerant of strange customs” was promoted, while officials who “used the law to extort bribes [too excessive]” were eventually executed. [48] In fact, when the Han government began to decline in 202 and later in periods of political crises in the Central Kingdom, it was the Han-Viet families such as Shih family and Do family, who both were loyal imperialists, who were able to maintain stability and prevent the slide toward separatism in northern Vietnam while, at the same time, did not go against indigenous sensibilities and allowed the local way of life to prosper. [49] Families like the Shih and the Do, while having roots in Vietnamese society, through education and imperial ambitions were linked to and worked effectively to enforce the Chinese imperial connection in northern Vietnam.
During the reign of the Shih family, Buddhism (which captured the imagination of the local people), Confucianism (predominately embraced by the ruling class people by virtue of their education), and Taoism (many public Confucianists were private Taoists and many Taosists found Buddhism but a short step away) all flourished in varying degrees. [50] It is of note that the Shih family allowed the Vietnamese culture to localize Buddhism; as late as the T’ang rule, Buddhist influence from the southeast India (Mahayana orthodoxy) by sea, rather than overland from northern India (Theravada orthodoxy) dominated Cham and Khmer civilizations. The popular Buddhist culture in northern Vietnam gave rise to native son resistance leader, Trieu Quang Phuc, who took on an indigenous title of king and was remembered as the protector of the Buddhist religion. [51]
The importance of families like the Shih and Do were that they were able to achieve a working consensus with the regional ruling class, specifically with the Ly family, dissuaded any effort of separatism or independence as championed by the Ly family. [52]
However, alienated families, such as the Ly, “because of an aversion to the claims of Han civilization or because of personal taste,” they eagerly embraced the local way of life. [53] The Ly had continued to pose a threat of separatism that eventually produced a sixth century Vietnamese independence leader, Ly Bi and his Ly’s predecessors. In 541 A.D., Ly Bi rose up against a corrupted Chinese governor and by 544 proclaimed himself emperor of Nan Yueh, evoking the precedent of Chao T’o who had earlier defied the Han dynasty. [54] Ly Bi emulated Chinese imperial ideals by establishing a reign title and organized an imperial court.
But it also appeared that Ly Bi used Buddhism to buttress his reign, such as publishing the name of his realm as Van Xuan (Ten Thousand Spring-times), and may have patronized the Buddhist religion. [55] According to a temple document, he also invoked the memory of a popular heroine, Lady Trieu, who was a leader of a 248 A.D. uprising by honoring her with a posthumous title. [56] Another Ly member, Ly Phat Tu, was able to reoccupy Ly Bi’s realm in 590 until 603 A.D.; his original name may have been Ly Huu Vinh but his personal name was changed to Phat Tu (“Son of Buddha”). [57] This indicated his support and patronization, which assisted a Vietnamized form of Buddhism that later played an important role in the early independence period, as exemplified by the Ly and Tran dynasties. The promise of the Ly’s was cut short by a resurgence of Chinese power. However, in the long run, the promise of the sixth century was kept. [58]
In 622 A.D., a new great dynasty emerged: that of the T’ang, who reorganized the administrative boundaries of northern Vietnam and created the general government of Giao, which in 679 became the general protectorate of An Nam (“The Pacified South”). [59] T’ang domination was firm and efficient. The noted regional ruling class “was neutralized and swallowed up by T’ang administration.” [60] Unlike the great families under Han rule who controlled vast estates and maintained private armies, T’ang reconstructed them into the “equal-field” system, so as to counter the greater families and to shore up regional authority. However, in the early eighth century, Tang administration broke down and popular leadership appeared such as Mai Thuc Loan in 722 A.D. who captured the capital and proclaimed himself emperor (in alliance with Chams and Khmers). But, as a result, an army of some one hundred thousand men migrated to northern Vietnam to quell the “alien” marauders. [61] Though even then, in 791 A.D., another individual with a non-Chinese cultural outlook, Phung Hung, was able to seize control of the capital but soon died. However, his son succeeded him and ruled well for a few years until forced to surrender by a new Chinese Protector. [62]
The legacy of T’ang’s firm and relatively stable rule in northern Vietnam appeared to have a considerable degree of “sinicization” on the local culture, or that that Vietnamese culture and society were to some degree modified by nearly three centuries of T’ang rule. [63] The greatest number of Chinese loan words in literary character is dated from the T’ang period. These words, unlike the Han administrative terms, were adapted to the Vietnamese tongue; [64] in addition, during this time, the Vietnamese began to experiment with using Chinese characters to write their own language, which later Vietnamese character (Chu Nom) was eventually developed for literary purposes from the thirteenth through the eighteenth centuries. Thus, by many accounts, during the T’ang epoch, the local people experienced significant knowledge of classical learning and an ability to apply it to popular forms of expression, as well as certain legal and administrative habits which later were integrated by the Vietnamese dynastic courts. [65]
For instance, the law codes of later Vietnamese dynasties were strongly influenced by T’ang law, although the significant portions retained were chiefly about court etiquette, loyalty to the ruler, the behavior of officials, public order, and such administrative procedures as census registration and taxation. Meanwhile, the portions of T’ang law dealing with criminal justice, marriage, inheritance, and other aspects of family organization and customary usage were replaced or significantly altered by distinctive Vietnamese provisions. [66]
Notwithstanding, when T’ang fell in 931 A.D. (superseded in 907 by the Later Liang dynasty but with a royal T’ang family able to hold northern Vietnam intact for another half century), the Vietnamese national consciousness, inspired by Buddhism and reinforced by the dozen or so anti-Chinese uprisings between 39 and 939, asserted its independence. By the fall of T’ang, Canton as a port for commercial trade had been sufficiently built up by the Chinese expansion in that area, so that the necessity for controlling northern Vietnam to have access to South China became less urgent for subsequent Chinese dynasties. This also implied that the patterns of Chinese immigration and settlement were negligible, as Vietnam increasingly lay beyond the absorbing powers of Chinese society.
In 931 A.D., a new Southern Han dynasty emerged in Canton and invaded northern Vietnam. Duong Dinh Nghe and his family were members of the T’ang civilization but were willing to enter the reality of regional power politics and built an indigenous power base to resist Southern Han rather than to join forces with northern rulers. He forced the Southern Han army out of northern Vietnam and named himself military governor.
The importance of Duong Dinh Nghe was that he presided over the first wakening of “Vietnamese power” in the tenth century. This included an affirmation that: “We are not Chinese; we are Viet.” As a ruling elite, Duong Dinh Nghe’s willingness to accept this choice may explain his ability to cast himself to the Vietnamese kingship, which grew out of peasant life and village politics and whose members later became the “rustic” kings in the second half of the tenth century. [67]
Duong Dinh Nghe’s alignment with the Vietnamese village life is further conjectured by Joseph Buttinger’s statement about class politics during Chinese colonization:
The peasant, in particular, must have wanted to rid himself of a foreign rule under which he suffered greatly, profited little, and could expect nothing, relative to its relation with the local upper classes. If for centuries he did not engage in active resistance, it was mainly because he lacked the self-awareness as well as the possibility for organized action of the ruling class. Though passive resistance of the peasant had contributed more to the survival of the Vietnamese people and to national consolidation than all the upper class revolts…Not until the ninth century did these conflicting trends begin to converge. The village emerged as the source from which the national spirit drew its strength, but it was the ranks of the upper class that this spirit had come to life…The upper-class rebels ceased to see the peasant merely as an object of exploitation and began to look at him as an indispensable ally in their fight for independence. They began to speak the language of the villagers and to honor the peasant’s pre-Chinese customs. In preaching the national gospel, they transformed themselves into something more genuinely Vietnamese than they had ever been before. [68]
Although Duong Dinh Nghe was killed by one of his officers in order to steer a pro-Chinese court in 937, another of Duong Dinh Nghe’s generals, Ngo Quyen, avenged the death of his patron. This led to unavoidable conflict with the Southern Han, who sent an expedition by sea to northern Vietnam in 938. Ngo Quyen anticipated this plan and lured the Chinese boats into areas where barriers of large poles with iron points were planted in the bed of the river; the ships of the Chinese fleet were all caught on the poles. This allowed Ngo Quyen’s soldiers to attack vigorously and defend the point of entry at Bach Dang River. After this battle, Southern Han never attacked Vietnamese again. [69]
Ngo Quyen’s victory had proved to be a milestone to the path of national independence. In 939, he took on a title of a Vietnamese king, rather taking on Chinese-style political titles, and “once more gave the country its former name of [Nan Yueh]” and made the ancient city of Co Loa his capital. [70] This pays tribute to, but also further strengthens, the imagination of a Vietnamese kingdom rooted in ancient times.
Retaining the Cultural Core and Making Local Cultural Statements
Today, a more acceptable assessment of the impacts of the Chinese colonial diasporas on the Vietnamese traditional society is that: China for Vietnam was an administrative tutor but was also a colonist aggressor, a promoter in economics but also an exploiter, and a cultural mentor but also an indoctrinator. [71]
However, for the Vietnamese, at least historically, China always poses a danger, and “that is how things are.” In fact, after Vietnamese independence, China has tried several times to reincorporate Viet Nam into its empire, including in 981, 1075-1077, 1250s, 1280s, 1406-1427, and 1788. That view is embodied in a Chinese document of 1882 which saw Viet Nam as a “barrier of the Middle Empire, a small nation which serves to protect the provinces of Yunnan and Kwangsi…although situated outside the Empire, we cannot abandon it.” [72]
Thus, living in the shadow of a powerful empire, Vietnamese must necessarily become expert survival artists, including utilizing “the ideas of a large country with the warriors of a small country,” as advised by court historian Ngo Si Lien. The necessity to absorb Chinese influence is also expressed by the legend of Lac Long Quan and Au Co, which exemplifies the theme of Vietnam’s neutralizing the threat of northern legitimacy. In fact, the newly independent Vietnamese state did not journey inwardly or isolate itself from China, so that borrowing from China did not diminish. Indeed, learning and borrowing enabled the Vietnamese to issue its own paper money by 1396 A.D., and to domesticate wood-block printing techniques in the 1400s. [73] But the Vietnamese also learned and borrowed from their southern and western neighbors and later, western missionaries and colonizers. As noted by Alexander Woodside, from the eleventh to the fifteenth century, “Vietnamese elites had been influenced culturally almost as much as by the Chams as by the Chinese, including the former military strategies, music and operas, newer matriarchal trends, and cultural motifs such as the elephants.” [74]
Although not entirely and not without elaborations, the borrowing of foreign ideas can be considered that of strategic calculations. That is, Vietnamese dynastic scholars did not necessarily see Sinic institutions and inventions as ‘Chinese,’ that Vietnam was merely imitating. Vietnamese scholars equated the Sinic devices and inventions as universal or a sort of technology. As such, learning and borrowing did not imply that they wanted to become Chinese or to place their institutions within the Chinese civilization and empire. [75] Rather, the Vietnamese did not want to deprive of themselves of Chinese innovations which represented the most advanced technology for nation building, including acquiring and maintaining technical, administrative, and cultural skills.
And they did not hesitate to use Sinic devices for diplomatic weaponry against the Chinese themselves. [76] For example, dynastic historian, Ly Quy Don used the study of history, which Chinese classical values, to produce an inventory of lost Vietnamese books and archives, (going back to 1026 A.D.), which had been destroyed or carried away by Chinese invaders, indicating memory of a lost, or stolen, cultural patrimony. [77] Nor did other Vietnamese scholars hesitate to use the Chinese concept of the “Book of Heaven” and deliberately alter it to enable Vietnamese “Sons of Heaven” to determine who is good and who is evil in the world. [78] “Book of Heaven” was also rewrote so that Vietnam has its own place in the sun (with its own foreign relations to the south and west), and that anyone who violates its boundaries will be cut to pieces, according to Ly Thuong Kiet’s declaration (in Chinese) in the eleventh century. [79]
The conventional view of Vietnamese borrowing after independence is that because it retained repeated contact with China, the reconquest of the country by the Ming at the beginning of the fifteenth century, and the tendency to imitate the Court of Peking at the beginning of the nineteenth century “have all contributed towards keeping Viet-nam within the Chinese cultural zone.” While Vietnamese are receptive and attracted to Chinese culture when not politically force upon them, they have always see their nation, though perhaps more intensely because of constant Chinese aggression, as “an ancient culture with its own rivers and mountains, ways and customs, different from those in the north [China],” as penned by literary scholar and military hero, Nguyen Trai. Indeed, Vietnam is not a smaller dragon in terms of origin and identity in the fact that:
China, after losing its Vietnamese protectorate during the political storms of the 10th century, tried many times to reincorporate Vietnam into its empire, and failed on every occasion. The Vietnamese will to dependence was too strong to permit it; and that will to dependence could never have existed without some intuition, reaching through all the social classes right down to the seemingly crustacean politics if the bamboo-walled villages, that there was a special Vietnamese collective identity of some sort. The Vietnamese nation is, to put it bluntly, one of the longest enduring acts of in human history. [80]
It is more illustrative that the reason why Vietnamese were displaced by Chinese colonial diasporas but were never replaced was because they strategically borrowed, elaborated, and localized foreign influences in order to negotiate and assert their cultural and intellectual rights. Such method allowed them to reclaim their re-independence, “else there would be no such thing as a Vietnamese nation today,” although they were modified and their articulation was constrained by the degree and nature of Chinese power felt in Vietnam. [81]
Vietnamese dynastic historians did take upon themselves to use the study of history “to define the notion of an absolutely distinct Vietnamese kingdom, and of real as well as mythical frontiers intended to ward off forever China’s wish to resuscitate any legitimate pretension to interference.” [82] Vietnamese dynastic historiography, while relying heavily on Chinese historical sources, “Vietnamized” them but also preserved their traditions (which were not accounted by the Chinese sources) in order to reflect the cultural favor of different eras during Chinese rule. Doing so, it gave their national history the legal, historical, and cultural basis of their independence.
For example, in the thirteenth century, to ward off any wish of Yuan China to recapture its former colony, historian Le Van Huu sought to demonstrate the antiquity of the Vietnamese state as well as to illustrate that the current Vietnam’s tributary relationship with China was a fiction by demarcating the starting point of Vietnamese history to Chao T’o's Nan Yueh. [83] As noted by Yu Insun, Le Van Huu “would have known about the other legendary Vietnamese leaders who ruled long before Chao T’o” but who would have appeared pale to Chao T’o's defiance of China, since “early Vietnamese rulers were content with the title of king and did not pursue the rank of emperor.” [84] Similarly, in the independence period, Le Van Huu saw Dinh Bo Linh (not Ngo Quyen in 939 A.D.) as the person who completely restored Vietnam’s legitimacy because, in 968 A.D., Dinh Bo Linh was able ousted all rivals and rose to the rank of emperor, restoring the legitimate tradition of Chao T’o.
Perhaps, the most important aspect of borrowing, as noted by John Whitmore, is that “the manner in which the Vietnamese received external influences helps us acquire a sense of the culture itself.” [85] In the prolonged process of re-dependence, a period of gradual spread of Chinese influence combined with the rise and fall of local attempts at regional and political overlordship, it seems to have produced a spiritual call for Vietnamese to go back to its ancient inheritance. However, at the same time, the “Vietnamese cultural core” has taken on Chinese influences and ideals. Generally speaking, Chinese contributions to Vietnam cover all aspects of culture, society, and government. These influences penetrated Vietnamese society, but only as ideals, although they were to some a degree realized among upper- or middle-class Vietnamese who aspired to prominent roles in government or society. [86] Yet, especially among the upper- or middle-class, cultural borrowing from the Chinese was not to erode the “Vietnamese cultural core” but was more or less deliberate in order to address the physical, psychological, cultural, and intellectual displacements caused by the constant Chinese aggression. Such cultural borrowing has allowed the Vietnamese elite to make and strengthen local cultural statements about its “cultural core.”
In many ways, centuries of Vietnamese borrowing has made the “Vietnamese culture core” a shifting entity and “what would count within it would be that which was considered essential and integral to the culture at any give time.” [87] Although such situation is inevitably imperfect and may lead to tension and stress within society, it has created an enduring historical agency, whose indigenous language, village religion, kinship reckoning, sex roles, residence and inheritance tactics were never replaced of which today are still distinct and persistent but, at the same time, able to continuously take on (and off) external influences.
- For a historical narrative on how Vietnam moved away from their former colonial ruler and evolved to an independent monarchy based on indigenous traditions from the 8th century to the 11th century, see Taylor, Keith, “The rise of Dai Viet and the establishment of Thang-long,” Explorations in early Southeast Asian history: the origins of Southeast Asian statecraft, ed. Kenneth R. Hall and John K. Whitmore, (Ann Arbor: Center for South and Southeast Asian Studies, University of Michigan, 1976).
- For further insights on how Vietnam, who much more than its Asian neighbors, had always had to take China into account in their nation building past and present, see Nguyen The Anh, “Attraction and Repulsion as the Two Contrasting Aspects of the Relations Between China and Vietnam,” China and Southeast Asia: Historical Interacitons. An International Symposium. University of Hong Kong, 19-21 July 2001.
- Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
- Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
- Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
- In general, what explain the differences in the commentaries on the same historical incident (i.e. Chao T’o/Trieu Da, Ngo Quyen, Le Hoan, etc) between Le Van Huu of the 13th century and Ngo Si Lien of the 15th century?
- Although there were more differences, what was a key similarity between the two scholars’ historical perspectives?
- Both Le Van Huu and Ngo Si Lien sought a point of origin for the Vietnamese state before Chinese colonial rule. In the case of Vietnamese American Experience, what would be your point of origin in regard to Vietnamese American History or Vietnamese American Cultural Heritage (a date or an historical event)?
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[1] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia. Translated by H.M. Wright (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1966), p.39.
[2] Keith Taylor, The Birth of Vietnam (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1983), p.17.
[3] Ibid., footnote 113, 114.
[4] Ibid., p.23.
[5] Ibid., p.26.
[6] Ibid., p.23-24.
[7] Joseph Buttinger, Vietnam: A Political History (New York: Praeger, 1968), p.20-23; D.G.E. Hall, A History of Southeast Asia, 4th ed. (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1981), p.212.
[8] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.26.
[9] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia, p.46.
[10] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.138.
[11] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia, p.80.
[12] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.281.
[13] Alexander Woodside, Vietnam and the Chinese Model (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1971), p.120-121.
[14] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.30.
[15] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia, p.43.
[16] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.29-30.
[17] Ibid., p.33.
[18] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia, p.43.
[19] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.36-37.
[20] Ibid., p.36.
[21] Ibid., p.36
[22] Ibid., p.37.
[23] Ibid., p.38.
[24] Ibid., p.39
[25] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.46.
[26] Ibid., p.336.
[27] Nguyen Van Ky, “Rethinking the Status of Women in Folklore and Oral History,†in Gisele Bousquet and Pierre Brocheux, eds., Viet Nam Expose: French Scholarship on Twentieth-Century Vietnamese Society (Ann Harbor: The University of Michigan Press, 2005), p.89.
[28] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.339.
[29] Ibid., p.39.
[30] Nguyen Van Ky, “Rethinking the Status of Women,†p.89.
[31] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia, p.45.
[32] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.46-47.
[33] Ibid., p.46-47.
[34] Ibid., p.49
[35] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.39.
[36] Ibid., p.36, 75,77.
[37] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia, p.45.
[38] Ibid., p.46
[39] Ibid., p.47
[40] Ibid., 230.
[41] Ibid.,218.
[42] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.xx.
[43] Ibid., p.xx-xxi.
[44] Ibid., p.xix-xx.
[45] Ibid., p.53.
[46] Ibid., p.64.
[47] Ibid., p.78
[48] Ibid., p.59
[49] Ibid.,p.80.
[50] Ibid., p.83.
[51] Ibid., p.151-155
[52] Ibid., p.115.
[53] Ibid., p.79.
[54] Ibid, p.138.
[55] Ibid., p.140.
[56] Ibid., p.140.
[57] Ibid., 157.
[58] Ibid., 165
[59] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia, p.48.
[60] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.209.
[61] Ibid., p.216.
[62] D.G.E. Hall, History of South-East Asia, p.197-198.
[63] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.1201-121.
[64] Ibid., p.120.
[65] Ibid., p.221.
[66] Ibid., p.21.
[67] Ibid., p.264.
[68] Joseph Buttinger, The Smaller Dragon: A Political History of Vietnam (New York: Frederick A. Praeger, 1958), p.35-36.
[69] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.268-269.
[70] Georges Coedes, The Making of South East Asia, p.80.
[71] King Chen, Vietnam and China, 1938-1954 (Princeton: Princeton University Press), 1969, p.12.
[72] Jean Sainteny, Ho Chi Minh and His Vietnam, (Chicago, IL: Cowles Books, 1972), p.72.
[73] Alexander Woodside, “Vietnamese History: Confucianism, Colonialism, and Independence,†Vietnam Forum, Vol.11, 1988, p.25.
[74] Alexander Woodside, Vietnam and the Chinese Model, p. 23, 25-26, 29,45.
[75] Nguyen The Anh, “Attraction and Repulsion as the Two Contrasting Aspects of the Relations Between China and Vietnam,†China and Southeast Asia: Historical Interacitons. An International Symposium. University of Hong Kong, 19-21 July 2001. See http://www.vninfos.com/selection/histoire/attraction_et_repulsion.html.
[76] O.W. Wolters, History, Culture, and Region in Southeast Asian Perspectives (Singapore: Institute of Southeast Asia Studies, 1982), p.63.
[77] Alexander Woodside, “Vietnamese History,†p.30.
[78] David Marr, “Sino-Vietnamese Relations,†The Australian Journal of Chinese Affairs, No.6, 1981, p.48.
[79] Ibid., p.48
[80] Alexander Woodside, “Vietnamese History,†p.27
[81] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.307, xix.
[82] Nguyen The Anh, “Attraction and Repulsion.â€
[83] O.W. Wolters, “Historians and Emperors in Vietnam and China,†in C.D. Cowan and O.W. Wolters, eds., Perceptions of the Past in Southeast Asia (Ithaca: Cornell University of Press, 1976) p.73-74.
[84] Yu Insun, “Le Van Huu and Ngo Si Lien: A Comparison of Their Perception of Vietnamese History,†in Nhung TuyetTran and Anthony Reid, ed., Viet Nam: Borderless Histories (Wisconsin: University of Wisconsin Press, 2006), p.49.
[85] John Whitmore, “Foreign Influences and the Vietnamese Cultural Core,†in D.R. SarDesai, Southeast Asian History: Essential Readings (Los Angeles: Westview Press, 2006), p.40.
[86] Keith Taylor, Birth of Vietnam, p.298.
[87] John Whitmore, “Foreign Influences,†p.40.


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part one of two
1) Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
-Trung Sisters are very well known in our history. they fought against the Han empire. and after their death, they brought the rain when there was a drought.
(my mom told me that they rode elephants, that makes them cooler)
2)Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
-the mountain spirit and the water spirit. rulers fight over girls and they are always at war. like the story behind the mountain and water spirit.
3)Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
-i do not understand what this “instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience” means. please explain.
2nd article – chopped off each page, anyone else having the same problem or is this b/c of my computure OR worse case scenerio…thayLong didn’t scan it correctly?? =D
ddvo:
thanks for your note. i rescan the article.
Ly Te Xuyen, Viet Dien U Linh (Departed Spirits of the Viet Realm). Translated by Brian Ostrowski, and Brian Zottoli as a Teaching Tool for Early Vietnam (Cornell University Southeast Asia Program, 1999).
Belonging to the Ministers category as the eighth son of King Ly Thai Tong, Ly Hoang served as a tax collector, provincial governor, and military leader. He upheld his principles of being fair and honest in all of his positions and duties. He carried out the emperor’s orders accurately without any violations and maintained his loyalty. Thus, he was dubbed as the Eighth Son Prince as well as the Majestically Enlightening Crown Prince. Trusted and loved by the people, Ly Hoang was bestowed such an honorific title to demonstrate his great reign as a leader with good will and values.
One of the many spirits of nature, the Benevolent Deity of the Kingdom-Protecting Shrine is recognized during the period of reconstruction of Ha Noi by the military leader Cao Bien. This deity was called upon by Cao Bien for assistance in protecting the rebuilt Ha Noi and ensuring its success. Therefore, Cao Bien’s recognition is based on his military skills and his connection to the local spirits, especially the spirit of the Kingdom-Protecting Shrine.
All of the Vietnamese individuals and spirits in the diasporic community are significant to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience. I believe that each person and spirit contributed a certain amount of progression which led to such an experience as a whole. For instance in our current generation, there are countless people, both young and old, who strive for the general welfare of the Vietnamese in America and in the homeland as well. Therefore, these are the great individuals that are the instruments of today’s society whereas one specific individual cannot be pinpointed as the only contributor. Everyone in the diasporic community possesses extreme potential and attributes that assist in enabling the Vietnamese to maintain the sense of community and recognition.
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Yu Insun, “Le Van Huu and Ngo Si Lien: A Comparison of Their Perception of Vietnamese History,†in Nhung TuyetTran and Anthony Reid, ed., Viet Nam: Borderless Histories (Wisconsin: University of Wisconsin Press, 2006).
Historians, Le Van Huu and Ngo Si Lien, are different in their ideas and perspectives due to their time gap of two centuries. Le Van Huu emphasizes on Vietnam’s national security and stability while Ngo Si Lien highlights the applications of Confucian ideology. Throughout their differences in opinions on historical accounts, they still have certain key similarities that are apparent in their commentaries. For both historians, Buddhism was criticized while Chinese intervention in Vietnam was highly unacceptable. The Confucian ethic of an elevated status of women is shared based on their commendation of the Trung Sisters. The origin of Vietnam dates back to the formation of the Lac people and mixture of the Austroasiatic community. I view Vietnam, although in another form with another name then, to have been its own country before Chinese interference.
Si Niep was bestowed an honorific title because he enforced peace and fostered an era of prosperity during his time as regional king.
Commander Lo aka the rock spirit, was understood because he was served loyally and committed to the clearing of bandits and rebels as was King Cao.
Not necessarily, because most if not all of the tales about these spirits tell us about truth, honor, loyalty, respect, etc. Moral values that everyone should grow up with.
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round2
One difference between the two is that one historian emphasizes on the Chinese influences and records while the other focused on Vietnam’s history of national security and major events.
A similarity between the two scholars was that they both shared a view on Bhuddism, because both historians believed that those who deserved to be merited should be merited and not only Bhuddism.
Tet? (not really sure what this question is asking mainly because I got lost in that article…)
The main difference in the commentaries of the two historians lies in the focus of their two compilations. Le Van Huu’s (LVH) main goal in his compilation was to promote and preserve Vietnamese independence and equality with the real, constant threat of the big bad dragon in the north (China), while Ngo Si Lien’s (NSL) main aim was to promote Confucian ethics, moralities, and ideologies since he was himself a Confucianist. Since both men lived in different times with different circumstances-LVH in the 13th century and NSL in the 15th century, their historical perspectives and commentaries would be expected to be the same. The question I would ask is this though. If both were living in the same era, would LVH and NSL have similar goals and priorities if both had to write their own compilations? If the answer is yes, then it would seem that histories are written with a heavy influence by the political, economic, and social happenings of the era, instead of different opinions of both men no matter the era. There were several examples of differences in perspectives in both’s commentaries on the same historical figure. To me, the historical figure that suggested the clearest difference between LVH and NSL is Le Hoan. LVH praised Le Hoan’s suppression of Nguyen Bac and Dinh Dien because he was more concerned about maintaining the internal stability of the country and its ability to resist the Song dynasty. NSL, however, criticized Le Hoan and thought he should be severely punished because he went against Confucian ideals when he threatened the legitimate sovereign.
According to the article, both historians shared common perspectives. For example, they both were nationalistic men who opposed Chinese intervention in Viet Nam, they both criticized Buddhism, and they both praised the Trung sisters’ rebellion. Both criticized the men for not doing enough to rebel and for subjecting themselves to servitude and by men I am assuming the nobles of Vietnam at the time. I think the important similarity between the two has to be their agreement that Vietnam is an independent sovereignty and it should always be that way. Their only difference in this regard is how to achieve and maintain such autonomy. LVH praised militarism and defiance such as in the case of Trieu Da, while NSL thought that by following Confucian ethics, the country would be more stable and the dynasties last longer, which ultimately would help to ensure Vietnam independence.
To me, the obvious answer as to when the origin of Vietnamese American history began is the fall of Saigon, when thousands of Vietnamese fled the country with the threat of the communists. Thus, 1975 would be the year that I would say is the start of Vietnamese American history. Of course there were Vietnamese living in the U.S. prior to 1975, but the massive nature of the influx after 1975 makes it the origin of Vietnamese American history. The exodus of refugees out of Vietnam and into America introduced Americans to Vietnamese culture as never before. When we were able to succeed and thrive in America, we were able to reestablish our cultural heritage.
Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
The Trung sisters are known throughout the Vietnamese community for their bravery, as well as the liberation of Vietnam from China by uniting the peasant class and the upper class. What makes this even more interesting is the fact that it was women who lead the rebellion. This seems to go against the confucian ideal of a powerful male figure and the submissive female figure. The fact that it was women who led the rebellion speaks volumes about the role of women in traditional Vietnamese culture prior to confucianism.
Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
The Mountain Spirit and the Water Spirit constantly at war explains the monsoon season in Vietnam. The legend says that the monsoon rains are due to the water spirit being mad at the mountain spirit for marrying the princess.
Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
I think that for the most part all of the individuals and spirits play a part in the Vietnamese Diasporic experience. While their effects cannot be seen directly, the stories of these individuals and spirits being passed down from generation to generation have enstilled the morals and beliefs that can still be seen in the current Vietnamese community.
Ly Thuong Kiet is a very talented leader, who served during Ly dynasty. He was protected his country from many invasions. He is a greatest military leader in Vietnamese history. He is also very famous for the poem “Nam Quoc Son Haâ€. The purpose of this poem is to encourage soldiers in the battle to protect the country. One thing surprise me is he is a castrated man.
Son Tinh, Thuy Tinh
The plot is about Hung King has an extremely beautiful daughter named Mi Nuong. When Mi Nuong gets to the age to get marry, there were 2 guys’ names Son Tinh and Thuy Tinh asking for the princess. Hung King gave out a competition and Son Tinh won and married Mi Nuong. Thuy Tinh tried to challenge Thuy Tinh with the contest to see who is stronger to deserve Mi Nuong. Son Tinh called water and wind try to flood the mountain, Thuy Tinh raised the mountain higher when the water almost floods the land. After few days, Son Tinh gave up and withdrew the water. But Thuy Tinh is still not accepted the lost, he tried to get the battle with Son Tinh every year. Vietnamese people back then don’t know how to explain the monsoon rains and the flooded, so they came up with the myth to explain the situation which calls Son Tinh Thuy Tinh.
Father Nguyen Van Ly who is a Roman Catholic Church, he is contributed a lot for Religious freedom in Vietnam and recently is sentenced for 8 years in prison in Vietnam. I don’t really understand your question. Hope my answer it what you are asking for.
The differences between Le Van Huu and Ngo Si Lien
Le Van Huu is more concern about national security while Ngo Si Lien is more about Confucian ethics. Although they are both critize about Buddhism, about how it is affected to ruling class.
The main economy of the Asian countries of this time was agriculture thus making the Minister of Agriculture an honorable deity. Minister of Agriculture is needed to respond to the pray of farmers for prosperous crop. This minister reiterates the important of agriculture to these people.
The Chief Earth Magistrate and the Rock Noble are the spirits that responded to Thuong Minh’s request and aid the military in battles. The territory itself is vulnerable for those who wants to attack and is strategic region for the country’s military. Due to the nature’s arrangement, battles that won are believed to be blessed by the spirit – Chief Earth Magistrate. The statue that built for the temple create the notion of ghost present that made people afraid and need to pray to the spirit for peace. Since everything, from winning battle and the relieve from horrification people pray and grateful to Chief Earth Magistrate who himself is the King.
All of them are instrumental to Vietnamese Diasporic Experience, each contribute elements that make up the strong will and the direction of the diasporic community. For example, the Trung Sisters are symbol of rebellion for the good of our country. The Vietnamese community can be connect to this action by defying Communisms as the fundamental part of the community (at least to elder generation.)
The differences between LVH and NSL were their beliefs. NSL is Confucian which what he wrote were to promote Confucian while LVH is nationalist who hate the invasion of Chinese. LVH rewrite history due to the King’s command thus has less of his opinion rather what the King intended the history would be. NSL is opposite when he can impute his opinions and experiences to his rewritten history. LVH praise Le Hoan while NSL viewed it was necessary – NSL have advantage because of the timing when he wrote the history thus he can review the consequences of the rebellion. Despite of their differences these two men both wanted independent from the Chinese.
I think the Vietnamese American History began like other Vietnamese communities over the world with the immigration. The break out of the war Vietnamese-American necessitates the movement but did not give the cultural sense. Vietnamese Americans once established in American intermingled our own culture with the “American culture†and till now, the Vietnamese community has created it own self of identity publicly and politically.
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Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
- The Trung sisters, Trac and Nhi, were bestowed an honorific title for thier courageous acts. After Trac’s marriage to Thi Sach and Governer To Dinh’s acts on bringing her husband down, the sisters raised an army and took out To Dinh and claimed the province of Giao. Eventhough the Trung sisters died in battle, they still carry a honorific title for their courageous acts and to show to the people in the future that women can make a difference. As well, it also shows the respect that the emporer had for the Trung sisters. He dedicated a temple for the sisters after having a dream about them telling him how they brought “rain” when they were facing a drought.
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Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
- The legend about the Mountain Spirit and the Water Spirit signifies why monsoon rains and flooding happen. The legend describes how the King, or Mountain Spirit, competed with the Water Spirit, for King Hung’s daughter, My Nuong, in marriage. After given the equal chance to show King Hung they deserved My Nuong’s hand in marriage, King Hung decided to wed his daughter to the Mountain King. In anger, the Water Spirit retaliated and ambushed Mount Tan Vien, where the Mountain Spirit and his newlywed wife reside. This explains why it rains every autmn in Tan Vien.
1. Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
a. Si Nghiep – During the time he governed Northern Vietnam he enforced peaceful conditions and fostered an era of prosperity, leading to an era of introduced cultural, economic, and political changes related to new religions and ideologies, international trade, and the fall of the Han Dynasty. The land before his arrival lacked strong influence to encourage any talents. Upon his arrival literary works can be seen. Under his governing he maintained peace in the land he ruled his over his people with benevolence and kindness, kept the spying bandits away from the people and for this he was praised by the Han King. Si Nghiep considered himself one with the region he ruled, the land’s wellbeing was his own. When the Ngo King promoted him to the position of General on the Left and made his sons Generals, Nghiep sent his sons to be live hostages in Ngo. The Ngo admired him for this, granting him even more titles to his already established ranks. Si Nghiep was not arrogant, he was generous and kind, each year he sent gifts to the Ngo; in return the people admired him and returned the favor. Standing before scholars he was modest, the learned Han people who fled to avoid disorder almost all followed him. The proclaimed him King, even a deity. Before he died, people near and far respected him; he ruled for a total of 48 years.
2. Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
a. The Lady of God and the Earth – When Emperor Ly Thanh Tong was surrounded by danger, a deity appeared before him and as if with her help he was able to triumph his battle. Because of this the Emperor worshipped her because he believes she helped him and would bring prosperity to the land in the future. “Thien, moc, thuy, hoa, tho,†she was the deity of the earth (tho), with her as guardian, the land will be safe. Eastern practice believe strongly in maintaining harmony in nature, worshipping a deity from each of nature’s sign helps the people believe in their faith.
3. Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
a. Being not too familiar with Vietnamese history the only individual or spirit I can relate to is Lac Long Quan and Au Co. They’re instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience in that they preserve the root history of Vietnamese for future generations. They enable the future generation to understand they’re origin, and how Vietnam came to be.
• Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
The Lý was the first Vietnamese dynasty that was able to hold onto power for more than several decades, allowing them to secure and expand the territory. I also believed that he was given an honorific title when according to legend, during this time Lý Thưá»ng Kiệt had also composed the famous poem Nam quốc sÆ¡n hà (Rivers and Mountains of the South Nation), which asserted the sovereignty of Vietnam over its land. This poem is considered the first Vietnamese Declaration of independence.
• Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
The legends explains why it rains every autmn in Tan Vien, The leagend is also explains the reasoning behind Monsoon rains. The Legend describles how the Mountain Spirit and the Water Spirit competed for King Hun’s daughter. The daugher was wed to the mountain spirit. The rain represents the water god’s anger over mount Tan Vien.
• Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
I believe that spirits and gods we believe in today date back to the stories and myths the older generation have passed on to their children. I never understood why we had so many “spiritual†figures that we worshiped as buddhist still after reading these articles. Honestly, I do not know of any individuals or spirits but the articles have allowed me to seek out these answers.
-Thanh Tan
1.Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
-Lý Thưá»ng Kiệt, a militant strategist, a martial leader, and a loyalist to his emperor. He was the one petitioned the emperor to make the first move fighting the Tong Chinese enemies when they were preparing for an attack. Along with many other great achievements in destroying the uprising groups down South. Also, He was well remembered for his patriotic poem ‘Nam quốc sÆ¡n hà , nam đế cư’. Which is a poem written to enforcing the strength of the Vietnamese people. It basically stated that Vietnam lands belong to Vietnamese people, and it was written in God’s book, whoever trespassing will soon is punished and destroyed.
2. Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
-Mountain Spirit and Water Spirit was a myth about two magical friends who fought against each other to marry one of the Hùng King’s princess. This story was created in order to ease the mind of the Vietnamese people during the monsoon season. Vietnamese are superstitious; they believe that tragic events are punishment sent by gods. Therefore, instead of explaining flooding is a punishment from God, they use this story to ease everyone’s mind.
3. Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
- These individuals and/or spirits do play a major role in the Vietnamese Diasporic experience. For those who heard of their stories and legends will always wanted to follow their footsteps. They are something that keeping us going. Beliefs are a very strong tool that motivates a person. These beliefs are the basic foundation of hope that the Vietnamese always fall back on. In example, at the protest against the Chinese taking over our land of Hoang Sa and Truong Sa, the poem ‘Nam Quoc son Ha’ was being used to enforce the patriotism. In addition, the story of the first uprising against the Chinese invasion by Hai Ba Trung also being used to remind us that from the beginning of time we have been fighting to protect our land. As long as the Vietnamese people facing diasporic experiences and foreign invaders, these legends will always play an important role. Hoping that these stories will be pass down from generation to generation, I hope they will..
•Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
o The Trung sisters – In honor of our Trung Vuong heroines as legend was told. After Trung Trac discovered that her husband Thi Sach, a power lord was killed by Chinese governor To Dinh. Through love, tears, and enragement from his murder, it caused Trung Trac along with her loyal sister Trung Nhi to accomplish an act of fearless bravery that has never been seen before from a Vietnamese woman. Together they trained more then 40 women and led a strong army of more then 80,000 into victory, driving the Chinese out of Vietnam. When the Trung sisters were finally heavily out numbered, instead of facing defeat, they committed suicide as an act of Honor. This compelling story of the Trung sisters teaches us many things; to fight for what is right for the love of our country, the true everlasting love between a husband and wife, the strong devotion between two sisters, and the arduous side of a Vietnamese woman. You can’t help but realize how grateful and honored we are to come from a long line of resilient and diplomatically skilled Vietnamese women.
•Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
Phu Dong – At the village of Phu Dong, County of Vo Ninh, there was a woman who clains to see a foot print of a giant in the fields. Intrigued she placed her foot in the foot print, thereafter she became pregnant with a boy and named him Giong.
For a while Giong couldn’t speak, crawl, or walk, but suddenly when he heard news from the king, he sat up and spoke to his mother, asking her to invite the messenger over to their home. He told the messenger to request the King to find him a horse, and build him a sword so he can go run the invaders out. When the horse and sword was delivered to his home, Giong magically stood up and became a this huge giant, and requested for food and new clothing.
Giong put his helmet on, carried his sword, jumped on the back of his horse and rode away, as fast as a hurricane. The iron horse suddenly spit fire, and brought Giong to the front line at the speed of lightning. The invaders saw Giong like a punishing angel overwhelming them. Their armies were incinerated by the flame thrown from the horse?s mouth. Their generals were decapitated by Giong?s sword. When it finally broke because of so much use, Giong used the bamboo trees that he pulled up from the sides of the road and wiped away the enemies.
Afterwards, he left his armor on the mountain Soc (Soc Son) and both man and horse flew into the sky.
•Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
o I’m sure that if we all still resided in our mother land Vietnam, we would still have beliefs in our cultural spirits and individuals. However, adapting to a new way of life, many Vietnamese today in the modern world forgets or was never told stories of our vietnamese Myths. Although, I still believe that the Trung Sisters provide a strong relevance to vietnamese woman today. True historical evidence may astray be from believing so.
1. Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
The minister I decided to pick was Commander-in-Chief Ly. It mentioned in the text that it is not known which dynasty he lived during or what his name actually was. He died when he was crossing a river but it was mentioned that his immortal soul did not die. His spirit entered another in a young man’s body and said to the people “I have recieved the appointment of God on High to serve as the spirit of the mouth of the river.” The villagers created a temple for worship. Tartar plunderers came to plunder the capital but the spirit said that the plunderers would not reach the place and it happened just as the spirit said. He was later appointed Returning-to-Heaven Spirit King.
2. Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
The spirit i picked was the Lady God of the Earth, a popular goddess during the Tang Empire of the 7th-9th centuries. Ly Thanh Tong was to go to battle against the Champa He saw a woman around the age of twenty and described her as being like a peach blossom. The spirit said to him that she will give him the support that is needed for him to achieve victory. When they reached Champa and engaged in battle, they felt that the spirit was there giving support and the battle was won.
3. Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
Well in my experience, I believe in my ancestors spirits. On certain occastions or days, my father and I we leave the front door and back door open so our ancestors in their spirits can come inside the house. On a weekly basis, my father tells me to put incense and pray to them. Once a year we burn fake money to represent us giving to them and of course we always lay out food and fruits for my ancestors. So, I do believe that these spirits are important to the diasporic community because it’s important to remember our ancestors and where we come from. We should always continue to show respect for the elders even though they have pasted away.
1. In 1066, Ly Thuong Kiet, army’s general commander, who served under the king of Ly Nhan Tong. He led Vietnam to attacked and pushed Champa’s border to south of Thanh Hoa. In 1075, King Ly Nhan Tong was 7 years old, the Tong of China prepared for an invasion of Vietnam by sending their troops to stayed in Nanning . Ly Thuong Kiet stopped the invasion by sent his army to Nanning to destroy the Tong’s troops. In 1077, the Tong attacked Vietnam, but was defeated by Ly Thuong Kiet.
2. Every year in Mien Trung of Vietnam, people were suffering through flood and heavy rains; many lives were lost. They said this is caused by the combat between Son Tinh and Thuy Tinh, which is the legend of Mountain Spirit and Water Spirit. The story was told that King Hung had a beautiful daughter, My Nuong, her beauty was so well-known that many rulers from foreign lands came to ask for her hand. One of them was the Mountain Sprit and the other one was Water Spirit. King Hung said whoever brings the wedding first will have the hand of My Nuong. Mountain Spirit happened to be the first one. King Hung agreed to let Mountain Spirit marry his daughter. Water Spirit was upset that My Nuong was married to Mountain Spirit. He raised the water to high level and flood away trees and houses.
This was the way that they’ve had been told by their parents or being taught by legend. They would feel disrespectful to oppose their stories and present a new theory of how floods come about.
3. No, because I don’t really know much about Vietnam history. I sure know many of our “truyen dan gian Vietnam (folk stories)†such as “Tha’nh Giong or Phu Dong Thien Vuongâ€, “Trong Thuy My Chauâ€, “Lac Long Quan and Au Coâ€, and much more.
Further Reading
“Attraction and Repulsion s the Two Contrasting Aspects of the Relations between China and Vietnamâ€
According to this article, it was a disturbance of how Vietnam came about. Vietnam has/had a great impact on China. In the 19th century, by implying the equality of China’s ruler, the Nguyen rulers referred themselves as “Thien Tu†and the country as “Dai Namâ€. Not only that, they built a new capital at Hue which resembled to the capital city of Beijing. Was it a fact that the older generations mimic the Chinese ideas? Or was it a coincidence?
Vietnam has the greatest influence from China, not French. Even though China and Vietnam have it own independent language, despite the fact that they’ve had been share many values in common, such as religions beliefs, food, cultural life, political theories (communist ideology), economic reform, and integration within the global economy. Cultural life is one of the values that the Vietnamese continued well to this day.
Ly Te Xuyen, Viet Dien U Linh (Departed Spirits of the Viet Realm). Translated by Brian Ostrowski, and Brian Zottoli as a Teaching Tool for Early Vietnam (Cornell University Southeast Asia Program, 1999).
• Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
o God of Agriculture, from Chu times (1066-255 B.C.E.) has been worshipped as an earth deity. This god has taught the people how to plant rice. When there is drought or pestilence, prayers for deliverance are immediately answered. In the first year of Trung Hung (1285), it was posthuonously honored as the Presiding God over the Gods of Agriculture. Since that the economy was very dependent on agriculture, the Minister of Agriculture under the mythical sage king Shun was revered as the God of Agriculture, and therefore, was bestowed this honorific title during the Dong (Tang) dynasty.
• Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
o The Fire Dragon Spirit Lord, born from an adulterous union between the wife of the Southern Sea Dragon King and the Fire Dragon. Abandoned to the sea currents by the mother and later founded by fishermen. The fishermen built a temple and erected an image to worship it. By doing so, the descendents of these fishermen became so successful in harvesting pearls that later questioned the king. Therefore, the king learned the whole story and instituted royal patronage of the spirit and resulted in obtaining more pearls. The theme of infanticide, in this case of abandoning a child born out of wedlock, and of the spirit of the child needing to be propitiated with worship to prevent it becoming a “hungry ghost” lies behind the plot of this story.
• Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
o Yes, I do believe that there are spirits or natural forces beyond this world that are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience. I have never witnessed or expereienced any of it, but it is possible. Belief in spirits and in Vietnamese individuals has always brought hope to people of the Vietnamese diasporic community. It is a way of survival, a way to help people to believe that anything is possible, and that there is happiness and prosperity on the other end of the road.
Article 1
1. Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
The Truong brothers are remember as loyal officers of Trieu Quang Phuc druing the 6th century. It said that when Trieu Quang Phuc lost to Ly Phat Tu, Ly Phat Tu offered the Truong brothers to give their loyalties to him but they chose to stay loyal to Trieu Quang Phuc and were killed. Because of their extraordinary loyalty they were given the honor by god to patrol and insure good order along the rivers of north Ha Noi. It was believed that they helped Ngo Quyen at the Battle of Bach Dang and to have helped one of Ngo Quyen’s sons to fight against rebels. It was believed that they help aid the King Ly Nhan’s forces against the Song army.
2. Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
I chose the Spirit of Long Do. Long Do was a toponym for Ha Noi east of the Royal Palace and beside the Hong River. The Spirit of Long Do drove King Cao back to the north by using violent wind and rain, bending trees and kicking up sand, shaking houses and having the bronze and steel thrown out and shattered into dust. Ly Thain Tong came and built the capital near the location of the temple. The market place was a very noise place and it was located next to the temple so the spirit created a great northern wind that created a dust storm. Trees were uprooted and houses were blown down. Everything was affected except for the temple Ly Thain Tong acknowledge that the spirit and made a custom during spring to gave prayers for prosperity to the spirit. The Spirit was given the title Expansively Beneficial King.
3. Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
I believe that individuals that keep the Vietnamese traditions alive are very important instruments to the Vietnamese Diasporic experience because it is the elders that can pass down Vietnamese history and legends to future generations to keep Vietnamese traditions alive. So yes i do believe that there are individuals that help teach things that there are to learn about Vietnam to those generations that are not living in Vietnam. It is important to know where you come from and to know history to understand better about the Vietnamese culture.
-Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
Although I know next to nothing about the Vietnamese culture, I do know about the Trung sisters legendary defense of Vietnam from China. Every culture has a hero figure that makes citizens of that culture feel more patriotic such as George Washing as the Father of United States. For Vietnam this inspirational figure is the Trung sisters who gave up their life for Vietnam independence. Nothing is more honorable than sacrificing your life for your country. The Trung sisters have inspired Vietnamese people to be more patriotic through their courageous acts.
Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
The fight over a beautiful princess (King Hung’s Daughter) by a Mountain spirit and a Water Spirit explains the monsoons at Tan Vien in Autumn. When King Hung made his daugher marry the Mountain Spirit, the Water spirit was angered and has since cursed Mount Tan Vien with a very rainy Autumn.
Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience
I think that the older generation of Vietnamese Americans still are superstitious and believe in spirits, but kids born in the states dont believe in any of this stuff because they are so entrenched in the American culture which accounts things to effort not spirits.
Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
Muc Than: The legend of Muc Than suggests that he stopped an attempt of assassination on King Ly Nhan Tong. Learning from his servant, Tong’s Grand Preceptor, Le Van Thinh was able to practice dark magic and turn himself into a tiger. Thinh’s intention was to master his skills to kill the servent and Tong. One day while Tong was watching fish, a thick fog rose across West Lake blinding everyone. Disguised as a tiger, Thinh appearred and prepared to take out his king; however, close by, Than was fishing and casted a net to cature the furoious tiger. Thinh was captured and locked away. Tong granted Than the title of “Cammander General in Chiefâ€; later, “Defender in Chiefâ€, then “Loyally Quick Witted, Militantly Firm Dukeâ€. After his death, a temple and statues were built for him.
The reading asks, how does loyality play out a person’s role in society. I believe that loyality and goodness are the key morals in life. Most religions state that if you live a clean and pure life, you will be granted with treasures beyond your imagination. Because Than served his King, he was awarded in life and after.
Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
The Fire Dragon Spirit Lord: The creation of the spirit was made between the adultery of the Southern Sea Dragon King’s wife and the Fire Dragon. The wife abandoned the child, born out of wedlock, into the sea. Two fishermen brothers, Quyet Minh Dang and Thien Xa Dang, found an object which held the baby and took it with them. Later that night, they dreamed of the wife telling the brothers what she had done. Taking the vessel, they waited for direction on how deal with it. Their thoughts were answered and the brothers built a temple and statue to worship the Dragon Lord. Sometime later, the court sent for people to find pearls. The brothers were recruited and the Dragon Lord granted them with the most pearls harvested. The King learned this and ordered his court to honor the spirit, and with that, more pearls were found. With this, its name changed to “Spirit Pearl Dragon King†then “Beneficially Relieving, Divinely Mediating, Graciously Believing King.â€
I think the reading suggests that because the spirit was worshipped, its followers were rewarded. One thing I found interesting was its elemental order; “earth surmounts water, water puts out fire, fire melts metal, metal cuts wood, and wood rises above earth.†Not only was the child born out of wedlock, but because the Fire Dragon slept with the Sea Dragon’s wife, it throws the order off balance. Many people believe this causes an even greater act of power.
Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
As far as people, I believe the ones that keep up with trying to improve the community and help others back in Vietnam provide a positive influence. Something simple as heping older generations or starting groups like, Sunflower Mission can vastly affect later generations. For spirits, the belief in our ancestors help carry on the diasporic experience. I do not think it matters how old we are or how far along the gap between generation 1 and 2 are, we share the common view of believing that there is a greater power out there and that they are always watching over us.
Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
My E bestowed an honorific title because of her honorable character. My E was wife of Cham King Sa Dau. She was captured by King Ly Thai after her husband was killed in a battle. She was transported by sea and she jumped out of her ship to avoid dishonored by another King. Her wised decision made her a honorable person and was spread throughout the country.
Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
The Fire Dragon Spirit Lord was born by the wife of Southern Sea Dragon King and The Fire Dragon. She abandon the spirit in the sea told the story to the fishermen that found it by telling them in their dream. They created a temple when they arrived to the shore and later they had great sucess with searching for pearls. The king found out the story and also praised the Fire Dragon Spirit lord. The king then found great sucess with pearls as well.
Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
I do not have an individual in mind that contribute to the Vietnamese Diasporic experience, but I believe that organization such as Vietnamese Student Association benefit Vietnam community. To my experience, VSA spend a good portion of their time fundraising. Most of their money send back to Vietnam for constructing housing and school.
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1) Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
-The Trung sisters led the first national uprising against the Chinese, who had conquered them, in the year 40 A.D. The Vietnamese had been suffering under the harsh rule of a Chinese governor, To Dinh. The Trungs gathered an army of about 80,000 people to help drive the Chinese from their lands. The Trung sisters liberated six-five fortresses. After their victory, the people proclaimed Trung Trac, the eldest sister, to be their ruler. They renamed her “Trung Vuong” or “She-king Trung.” She attempted to restore a simpler form of government more in line with traditional Vietnamese values. For the next three years the Trung sisters engaged in constant battles with the Chinese government in Vietnam. Out armed, their troops were badly defeated in 43 A.D. Rather than accept defeat, popular lore says that both Trung sisters chose the traditional Vietnamese way of maintaining honor – they committed suicide. Some feel that if it wasn’t for the Trung’s rebellion against the Chinese, there would be no Vietnamese nation today.
2) Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
-The story about the rivalry between the Mountain Spirit and the Water Spirit has been commonly understood as a metaphor for the monsoon rains and the struggle against flooding. The Mountain Spirit and the Water Spirit were once friends until they were both in competition to marrying a royal princess. Whoever came to marry the princess first will be granted her hand in marriage. Of course, the Mountain Spirit was the first and naturally the Water Spirit was angry. The Mountain Spirit later moved to the peak of Mount Tan Vien, and with that each year Water Spirit brought autumn rains to strike Tan Vien.
3) Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
-From my knowledge, I do not know of any known individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience. However, I do believe that the older generation of the Vietnamese communinty are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Edxperience because they are the ones that actively keep the vietnamese traditions and values impelling. They are more knowledgeable about the history, myths and truths, and folktales that are told of Vietnam.
-Crystal Nguyen-
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Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
Chao T’o/Trieu Da, was bestowed an honorific title, because, it is believed
that he, though Chinese, made effort to assimilate the Chinese into what would be the Vietnamese culture, and way of life, while ruling in Vietnam, in order to preserve the Vietnamese way, while the Chinese rule. The symbolism if nothing else keeps this story alive, because the essence of Vietnamese culture, and ability to thrive in spite of conflict and pressure to submit, were always able to adapt to new ways in ways that cleverly maintained tradition, and Vietnamese culture.
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Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
The Lady of God and Earth is said to have come to Emperor Le Thanh Long, when in a moment of need, in a vision, and to have offered him her assistance, by being present in the battle against Champa, to intercede for his troops. He and his army were in fact victorious, but it is likely that this was because they all believed she was there, whether or not she was, the belief was enough to inspire and energize them to defeat the Champa enemy.
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Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
I am sure there are, but it would seem that such traditions that would enable these individuals to become folklore to their ancestors would require the individuals to be many generations past. If there are diasporic Vietnamese from many decades ago who were instrumental in the movement of finding the “place” in displacement, then there is a good chance that the Vietnamese diaspora communities have immortalized his/her story, and it has by now been instrumental in aiding the present diaspora individual and communities in coping with their experiences.
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#1 In general, what explain the differences in the commentaries on the same historical incident (i.e. Chao T’o/Trieu Da, Ngo Quyen, Le Hoan, etc) between Le Van Huu of the 13th century and Ngo Si Lien of the 15th century?
In general, the differences between the commentaries on the same historical incidents, are likely to be explainable by the different religious backgrounds of the authors of each article,. and the centuries between them. Le Van Huu from the 13th Century, and being not Confucian, naturally had a different perspective than that of Ngo Si Lien, who was in the 15th century.
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#2 Although there were more differences, what was a key similarity between the two scholars’ historical perspectives?
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A key similarity between the two scholars’ historical perspectives is that they are both intent of belief that the Vietnamese people need to be independent from Chinese rule.
#3 Both Le Van Huu and Ngo Si Lien sought a point of origin for the Vietnamese state before Chinese colonial rule. In the case of Vietnamese American Experience, what would be your point of origin in regard to Vietnamese American History or Vietnamese American Cultural Heritage (a date or an historical event)?
It is on the surface that the starting point for the traditional Vietnamese-American, is 1975, though the traces of the mixture of the two cultures are likely to go way farther back than that. There is a validity to the mention of, and inspection of these traces, as they are some of the roots of the Vietnamese-American experience as well.
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1) Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
-The Trung Sisters are very well known throughout Vietnamese history. They fought against the Han empire, and after their death, they brought the rain when there was a drought.
2) Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
-The Lady of God and the Earth – When Emperor Ly Thanh Tong was surrounded by danger, a goddess appeared and with her help, he was able to win his battle. Because of this, the Emperor worshipped her because he believed she helped him and would bring prosperity to the land in the future. Eastern practice believe strongly in sustaining harmony in nature, worshipping a goddess from each of nature’s sign helps the people believe in their faith.
3) Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
-I’m not too familiar with Vietnamese history so the only individual or spirit I can think of is Lac Long Quan and Au Co. They’re instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience because they preserve the historical roots of the Vietnamese for current and future generations. They enable the future generation to understand they’re origin, and how Vietnam came to be.
1. Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
The Trung sisters were bestowed an honorific title for their representation of wellness in Vietnam. Even though the Trung sisters died within battle, they carried a courageous title that gave hope to the people of Vietnam for years to come. There is belief that has been placed within a dedicated temple that thanked them for bringing “rain†when in need to stop a drought.
2. Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how the spirit relates to the understanding ruler or an event.
The legend of the two spirits show why monsoons and flood happen within the Southeastern Asia region. The Mountain spirit fought with the Water spirit for King Hung’s daughter for her hand in marriage. King Hung decided to wed his daughter to the mountain king, making the Water spirit angry and ambushed Mount Tan Vien, explaining why it rains every autumn.
* Pick one person from the sovereign or ministers category and briefly describe why that person was bestowed an honorific title.
1) Si Nhiep was a governer of North Vietnam who originated from Guangxi, southern chinese province. Later he became ruler of Vietnam for about forty years and he was well known for keeping peace and prosperity during his reign. During his time was the beggining of new ideologies and buddhism amoung people in vietnam.
People view his era “as a time when the people in what is now northern Vietnam experienced important cultural, economic, and political changes related to new religions and ideologies, international
trade, and the fall of the Han dynasty.”
* Pick one spirit from the spirits from nature and briefly describe how this spirit relates to the understanding of a ruler or an event.
2) The Trung sisters ruled the province of Giao, fought, and died in a battle and a temple was built to worship them. The Trung Sisters apeared in the emperor Ly anh Tong’s sleep after he had been longing for rain because of a drought. The Trung sisters told him “By the order of God on High, we have made rain”. After the incident Ly Anh Tong acted to have both sisters appointed as Chaste Divine Ladies. The elder sister was appointed Victorious Lady Strategist and thier divine responses “sincerely chaste” and keeping obedience” had been remembered for many years.
The trung sisters relate by reminding the new rulers to remember the older rulers for thier great deeds they have done.
* Are there Vietnamese individuals or spirits in the diasporic community that you think are instrumental to the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience?
3) Yes, i believe there are many individuals and spirits in the diasporic community that are instrumental to the Diasporic Experience. Without them, there would be no chains of history that ended a result of the Vietnamese Diasporic Experience.
* In general, what explain the differences in the commentaries on the same historical incident (i.e. Chao T’o/Trieu Da, Ngo Quyen, Le Hoan, etc) between Le Van Huu of the 13th century and Ngo Si Lien of the 15th century?
1) In general, I believe what explains the differences in the commentaries on the same historical incident is that both historians lived 2 centuries apart. Both historians lived in different environment, society with different events that occured during their times, and had different religion/beliefs. Le van was the director of Office of Historians and served as minister of war in the Tran Dynasty. Ngo si Lien was vice-minister of rites and director of studies at the National University in the Le Dynasty. During Le Van Huu’s time of the Tran Dynasty, Buddhism ruled ideology in Vietnamese and Confucian scholar-officials had very little politcal power. During Ngo Si Lien’s time after the fall of the Tran Dynasty, the new Dynasty, the Le Dynasty, established a replacement of Buddhism to Confucianism. These were a important hostorical events that may have contributed to both historians’ perspectives.
* Although there were more differences, what was a key similarity between the two scholars’ historical perspectives?
2) The key both hostorians “criticize Bhuddhism and oppose Chinese intervention in Viet Nam.”
* Both Le Van Huu and Ngo Si Lien sought a point of origin for the Vietnamese state before Chinese colonial rule. In the case of Vietnamese American Experience, what would be your point of origin in regard to Vietnamese American History or Vietnamese American Cultural Heritage (a date or an historical event)?
3) At first I thought the origin of Vietnamese American experience was around 1975 when Vietnamese immigrants moved to the U.S. But I found out later that the first Vietnamese and American connection in history was Bui Vien’s mission to the U.S. “to request an intervention by the Grant Administration against French intrusion in Vietnam” back in 1848-1873.
And sorry for submitting this to you late because i didnt know I had to post it in here, it wont happen again XD